Heather Berlin

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238 appearances 1 recordings 1 series first heard Jun 2026 last heard 12 Jun

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StarTalk with Neil deGrasse Tyson · Conquering Fear with Alex Honnold · 12 Jun 2026 podcast

Yes.

That's a phobia.

A phobia in general.

So it becomes irrational.

You have to kind of attack it from both ends, like top down, bottom up.

So the bottom up is you kind of have to train, you have to embody it.

You have to actually do the things, like let the number 13 sit there and you still do the thing you're afraid to do because the number 13 is there, or whatever it may be.

And then nothing bad happens.

It starts to train the brain at a sort of unconscious level.

But then there's the top down where you can, it's called cognitive reframing.

So you think of things in a slightly different way.

So let's say you're afraid of something.

The heart is racing.

You're thinking, oh my God, I'm panicking.

Something bad's going to happen.

You reframe it and say, you know what?

My body is preparing for action, right?

You know, this isn't such a bad thing.

I can still do things even if I'm feeling afraid if you reframe it in that way.

So there's a cognitive aspect to it.

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