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Heather Berlin

πŸ‘€ Speaker
238 total appearances

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StarTalk Radio
Conquering Fear with Alex Honnold

Yes.

StarTalk Radio
Conquering Fear with Alex Honnold

That's a phobia.

StarTalk Radio
Conquering Fear with Alex Honnold

A phobia in general.

StarTalk Radio
Conquering Fear with Alex Honnold

So it becomes irrational.

StarTalk Radio
Conquering Fear with Alex Honnold

You have to kind of attack it from both ends, like top down, bottom up.

StarTalk Radio
Conquering Fear with Alex Honnold

So the bottom up is you kind of have to train, you have to embody it.

StarTalk Radio
Conquering Fear with Alex Honnold

You have to actually do the things, like let the number 13 sit there and you still do the thing you're afraid to do because the number 13 is there, or whatever it may be.

StarTalk Radio
Conquering Fear with Alex Honnold

And then nothing bad happens.

StarTalk Radio
Conquering Fear with Alex Honnold

It starts to train the brain at a sort of unconscious level.

StarTalk Radio
Conquering Fear with Alex Honnold

But then there's the top down where you can, it's called cognitive reframing.

StarTalk Radio
Conquering Fear with Alex Honnold

So you think of things in a slightly different way.

StarTalk Radio
Conquering Fear with Alex Honnold

So let's say you're afraid of something.

StarTalk Radio
Conquering Fear with Alex Honnold

The heart is racing.

StarTalk Radio
Conquering Fear with Alex Honnold

You're thinking, oh my God, I'm panicking.

StarTalk Radio
Conquering Fear with Alex Honnold

Something bad's going to happen.

StarTalk Radio
Conquering Fear with Alex Honnold

You reframe it and say, you know what?

StarTalk Radio
Conquering Fear with Alex Honnold

My body is preparing for action, right?

StarTalk Radio
Conquering Fear with Alex Honnold

You know, this isn't such a bad thing.

StarTalk Radio
Conquering Fear with Alex Honnold

I can still do things even if I'm feeling afraid if you reframe it in that way.

StarTalk Radio
Conquering Fear with Alex Honnold

So there's a cognitive aspect to it.