Heather Berlin

And then there's the sort of just behaviorally you have to keep doing it over and over again to teach your brain not to fear it.

And over time, the fear goes down.

Is that the future of your field?

There actually, you know, there are some, and even with drugs, that you can sort of

So fear is about association.

You associate something, a stimulus, with it's fearful.

You can pull apart that association with certain drugs.

So you train someone to fear, like Pavlov's dogs can be trained to hear the bell and saliva starts coming.

Salivate, right.

You can train people to fear something, let's say a white rabbit, right?

And then you can unpair that with certain drugs.

You know, I don't think it's dramatic as you have to go in with certain neural implants.

Ultimately, though, the fear circuits we understand so well that we could potentially go in there.

Manipulating people's brains.

Yeah, that's a really good question.

So that's something that I call controlled surrender.

So basically, and I used to actually also, you had mentioned a fear of, I used to have a fear of flying.

And the way that I got over it, it's not like knowing the statistics cognitively and all that, none of that.

It's a feeling, right?

And it comes up from, so when I finally, it's acceptance.