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Helen Lewis

👤 Speaker
877 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

Podcast Appearances

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

But if you said, do you want a 10 out of 10 incredibly chiseled ab boyfriend?

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

Or do you want one who will have dinner ready for you when you've had a really long day out?

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

Almost all of them, I think, would probably pick the small, thoughtful acts of kindness over Stone Cold Hottie.

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

I just think that's how it works.

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

And I think that's, again, it's a big part of this political project.

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

It's very difficult to accomplish if women don't have to put up with it.

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

But what I find so unsettling about the visions of masculinity in lots of these books is they seem so anxious at the same time as calling women anxious.

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

They seem so unsettled, so on their edge.

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

They don't feel happy.

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

They feel stressful to me.

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

And that's me reading them as a woman.

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

I don't know if you had the same experience as a man.

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

But that's why, as with many eugenicist fans, lots of these people don't have kids themselves.

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

And also while having lots of, you know, attacks on childless cat ladies, lots of these people also don't have children.

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

Yeah, I don't want to live in the world that they envision.

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

And I think it's also a recipe for anxiety.

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

This idea that you have to have a woman that you control.

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

And actually, if she does things, if she's disobedient, that's a bad reflection on you and it's humiliating to you.

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

I think it's a recipe for both violence in relationships, but also deep insecurity and unhappiness.

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

For me, the vision of equal partnerships is just that it's so much more relaxing.