Helen Lewis

You know, I love Hamilton as much as a white liberal millennial could.

But I went back to see it a couple of years ago and I was like, oh, this is Obama era cringe.

And like it's because it's so earnest and sweet.

And like now everything is so cynical and jaded that it's quite hard to put yourself back into the state to be able to appreciate someone who's just straightforwardly hopeful about the upward progress of America.

So it does kind of read as cringe.

But again...

You know, just in the same way that having no shame is a very useful asset in American politics, having no sense of cringe is probably also quite good.

Well, yeah, I mean, there's a kind of suite of ideas.

So no-fault divorce, the rollback of that, right?

Take it back to the idea that divorce, someone in the couple is to blame and they therefore get penalized.

And one of the reasons that the feminist movement was very against that is that that was used to punish women, essentially, to say you have been adulterous and disobedient and therefore your kids should be taken away.

And I've written in support of no-fault divorce.

We only got it here in Britain within the last decade.

Because I think that the one thing you need when you're trying to get through a relationship, if you have kids, is like, really, this is, yes, this is a divorce, but this is also a co-parenting negotiation.

And turning that into an adversarial fight from the very start is unlikely to end well.

But that doesn't fit this kind of masculinist paradigm.

The Heritage Foundation put out a report in January that said they wanted a kind of Manhattan project to support families.

They are against dating apps, daycare, you know, single parent benefits.

You know, there is an argument there for supporting a certain kind of family.

Right, exactly.