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Helen Lewis

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The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

And so, yeah, if they want to reclaim the idea that they're going to have futuristic aesthetics, that could be kind of awesome.

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

But they would have to also deal with the fact that many people do not look forward to the future with a desperation to get there.

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

But that's also about the left tastemaker's hatred of the middle brow.

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

I mean, just to take architecture, right?

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

You have to show that you are a refined person by liking brutalism.

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

And if you just preferred a nice Doric column and a nice whitewashed, whatever it might be, that's kind of basic.

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

That's what normal people who don't know anything about architecture like.

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

And the problem is that there are far more normal people than there are people who know a lot about architecture.

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

And I think Trump has got that, right?

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

Trump just has the tastes of a kind of normie person.

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

He has the taste of a normal person who's got a lot of money rather than elite taste.

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

I think there was a piece about this at the time of the 2016 election, right?

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

Everything he owns is covered in gold.

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

which is what you kind of think, if I suddenly had loads of money, why wouldn't I cover anything in gold?

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

Whereas the thing that if you're a high net worth person who flies on pirate jets and reads Condé Nast Traveler magazine, everything should be in muted earth tones.

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

So his exact lack of taste...

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

in elite sense, is read by normal everyday people as he likes basic things that are easy to appreciate and nice.

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

You know, he wants, like he wants the, presumably he wants that ballroom to look like the Roman forum that people might have seen on, you know, on their holiday in Italy.

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

So this is a bit about the kind of the left's hatred of, yeah, of the middle brown, the popular and the mainstream.

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

I mean, you mentioned Hamilton.