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Helen Lewis

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877 total appearances

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The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

It will be through little tiny tweaks to the tax code or things like that, right?

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

Yeah, that piece really reminded me of, there's a book from the 2000s by Ariel Levy called Female Chauvinist Pigs.

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

And it's about the way that women coped with working in really male-dominated workforces where they were like, hell yeah, I love going to the strip club with the guys.

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

Because the implicit promise was, yes, there are women up on stage who we think are whores and whatever.

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

But I'm like an honorary guy.

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

And then there comes a moment where you find that you're not an honorary guy.

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

Actually, oh no, they think this way about all women.

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

And I think it was the philosopher Kate Mann, this was her theory of misogyny, right?

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

It promised an exemption for good girls.

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

Like if you do things right as a woman, then actually you kind of get exempted from it.

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

And then you cross one of those invisible tripwires and you discover that you're on the outside now.

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

And so I read that piece and I oscillated between sympathy and what did you think was happening here?

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

And I guess that's the point about the kind of semi-jokey, semi-ironic.

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

You think you're all doing ironic sexism because actually we live in this incredibly, you know, feminized gynocracy.

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

And then you find out actually no, it's extremely unironic sexism.

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

But also, I think the interesting thing is that what is the left doing wrong that all of these things happen and people have direct experience of misogyny and yet they still don't feel that the left is for them?

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

Because they just can't stay normal.

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

They just have to let themselves go and let their unchained id all over the place.

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

Yes.

The Ezra Klein Show
The New Right’s Very Old Vision of Men

And you're right.