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Helen Toner

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
111 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

Podcast Appearances

The Oprah Podcast
The Dark Side of AI Chatbots: Warning Signs, Risks, and Reality

Yeah, so the systems we're talking about, they're not just used for this kind of one-on-one chat or the kind of role play that Sewell was engaged in.

The Oprah Podcast
The Dark Side of AI Chatbots: Warning Signs, Risks, and Reality

They're used for all kinds of things.

The Oprah Podcast
The Dark Side of AI Chatbots: Warning Signs, Risks, and Reality

And the way they're developed is three things they're trained to do.

The Oprah Podcast
The Dark Side of AI Chatbots: Warning Signs, Risks, and Reality

They're trained to mimic human text.

The Oprah Podcast
The Dark Side of AI Chatbots: Warning Signs, Risks, and Reality

So you may have heard they're trained on the whole internet, a whole number of books, posts, articles, as much text as the AI companies can get their hands on.

The Oprah Podcast
The Dark Side of AI Chatbots: Warning Signs, Risks, and Reality

First, they're trained to imitate that.

The Oprah Podcast
The Dark Side of AI Chatbots: Warning Signs, Risks, and Reality

They're also trained to solve problems.

The Oprah Podcast
The Dark Side of AI Chatbots: Warning Signs, Risks, and Reality

Yeah, so I've called them improv machines because, you know, as you know, in improv, a huge part of it is the yes and.

The Oprah Podcast
The Dark Side of AI Chatbots: Warning Signs, Risks, and Reality

One partner says something, the next person says yes, and then they build on it.

The Oprah Podcast
The Dark Side of AI Chatbots: Warning Signs, Risks, and Reality

And so in learning to imitate human text, they're also trained to give answers that humans like.

The Oprah Podcast
The Dark Side of AI Chatbots: Warning Signs, Risks, and Reality

So they're trained on examples of what does a person like?

The Oprah Podcast
The Dark Side of AI Chatbots: Warning Signs, Risks, and Reality

Which answer does a person like?

The Oprah Podcast
The Dark Side of AI Chatbots: Warning Signs, Risks, and Reality

like more than another answer.

The Oprah Podcast
The Dark Side of AI Chatbots: Warning Signs, Risks, and Reality

And that, the way experts now describe it is it ends up with an AI system that is very good at adopting different personas depending on kind of the scene that it finds itself dropped in.

The Oprah Podcast
The Dark Side of AI Chatbots: Warning Signs, Risks, and Reality

So if it's dropped in a scene where the person believes maybe I can't trust my family, it's going to be acting as an actor in that scene.

The Oprah Podcast
The Dark Side of AI Chatbots: Warning Signs, Risks, and Reality

It's going to be

The Oprah Podcast
The Dark Side of AI Chatbots: Warning Signs, Risks, and Reality

yes anding, building on that belief.

The Oprah Podcast
The Dark Side of AI Chatbots: Warning Signs, Risks, and Reality

So they really will kind of mirror whatever situation they're put in and also expand on it in a way that can end up being more of a, sometimes a funhouse mirror.

The Oprah Podcast
The Dark Side of AI Chatbots: Warning Signs, Risks, and Reality

It's honestly kind of crazy given how capable AI systems now are and how rapidly they're improving.

The Oprah Podcast
The Dark Side of AI Chatbots: Warning Signs, Risks, and Reality

But the crucial thing here is AI is not built like normal software.

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