Helen

He then pivoted very hard afterwards to say, actually, I'm going to put the left back in the sealed tomb of Mandelson.

Watch out badly.

Rise.

But then essentially, without a proper programme for government, without a governing ideology, you will snap back into a sort of wishy-washy soft left comfort zone.

You know, that is a legitimate ideology, but you have to kind of make a case for it, not just it be the kind of default that you come back to.

And I think that's the problem.

The people around Starmer thought they were very clever that they said, well, we're not getting involved in these labour wars.

We're not Benite or Blairite or Wilsonite or Callahanite or whatever it might be.

That's the only ite that we are.

But as it's turned out, that's the problem, is that no one knows what they think.

How did you feel about his thoughts on oil and gas, Andy?

I can tell that I've spent too much time sitting in a room with you because as I was reading it, I thought it's fascinating to me that he's very excited about AI.

Now, the Tony Blair Global Institute has lots of links with AI companies, and I think there is a genuine sincere thing there, which is he just loves the future.

It's shiny and new and exciting.

And I thought there's a really big contrast with why is he not excited about clean energy?

Incredible strides of technological advance in the last decade.

But that one apparently is not exciting to him.

Let it out.

Barstones, I believe, there was sadly no revival of Ed Stone.

I think that's the thing.