Helen

I think it's quite hard to work out why Keir Starmer's approval ratings are so low and he's so hated.

But I think it's the sense that he's vapor, that there's nothing there.

And I think that that's the kind of, that is the point.

I take your point, but on the domestic analysis, and as Tony below, he's only too keen to remind us himself, he is the only Labour leader ever to have won three general election victories.

He does know something about making and winning a political argument.

And one of the things that Jess Phillips said in her resignation letter we talked about in the last pod was we don't want to have an argument, therefore we don't go out and make an argument.

We're afraid to make enemies.

And actually, Adam, it turns out they're listening to you because Keir Starmer's all the briefing this week was about banning social media for under-16s and actually making villains out of the tech bosses.

What a huge failure of their time in opposition there.

Because I'm a massive nerd.

I read Philip Gould's The Unfinished Revolution.

So he was the pollster who was intimately involved with New Labour.

And what they did was they spent the mid-90s going away and having all those arguments internally and doing them.

That was what we were told Starm was doing.

That was what Sue Gray was supposed to be bringing in her roadmap for, you know, not Armageddon, the opposite, Utopia.

And then they got in and they were like, oh, oh, we're in charge.

Oh, no.

Have you seen these finances?

These are terrible.

I wish someone said something.