Helena Rosenblatt

But what happens in Marx's thought is, of course, once they take over power,

They're going to exploit the workers and just make more and more money and exploit the workers until they will rise up and you'll have the communist revolution and the takeover.

But the thing is that there's no way around it.

You need the liberals to take power.

You need the bourgeoisie.

In Marx's view.

So he's not anti this precisely.

This is the motor of history.

It's going to be superseded by the proletariat.

Right.

So the early liberals were really mostly concerned with creating a political system, getting rid of the divine right of kings and having constitutional representative government with guarantees for individual rights, freedom of speech, freedom of religion.

And private property rights, rule of law, obviously very important.

But as they're also pragmatic people, and over time, with the Industrial Revolution, with urbanization, they see new problems arise, right?

The idea that there is pauperism, a new word that's invented at the time.

That means people are stuck.

Workers are stuck in poverty.

And what to do about it?

Some people start saying, listen, deregulation isn't working for these people.

They're stuck.

And with our core values of generosity and freedom lovingness, obviously, these people are not free.