His Eminence Cardinal Timothy Dolan

Call them changemakers.

We call them redefiners.

I just try to be natural.

To tell you the truth, I don't put a lot of long preparation to it.

I find that a certain amount of informality and spontaneity usually serves me better than being too structured and too scripted.

And then I just wait, as you do, for the customer satisfaction, for them to let me know, hey, we listen to you, keep it going.

And when that comes, I say, hallelujah, it's all worthwhile.

There you go.

You got it.

You just tapped into something that's rather essential to my vocation as a priest and as a bishop, and that's the obedience that we give ultimately to God, but also to our superiors, in my case, the Holy Father, the Pope in Rome.

So it's not that I can chart or plan anything.

And there's a certain amount of freedom and a refreshing amount of liberty, Clark, in that we don't have to make those decisions.

I'll tell you a little something.

I don't know if I've ever mentioned this before.

I was very happy as the Archbishop of Milwaukee.

I was there for, what, seven happy years from 2002 to 2009.

And I get a call.

in February of 2009 from the Papal Nuncio.

He's the Holy Father's representative here in the United States.

And he said, Timothy, Pope Benedict wants you to become Archbishop of New York.