His Eminence Cardinal Timothy Dolan

Well, I was a little stunned, and I said, Your Excellency, if you could tell the Holy Father that I'm immensely grateful,

that I'm humbled by his request, but I'm very happy in Milwaukee.

I don't know if I'm the man for the job in New York, and I think you could probably find a better candidate.

And the nuncio said, yeah, we know all that, but that's not what I'm asking you.

I'm asking, the Pope's asking you to be Archbishop of New York.

I said, well, count me in.

I took a pledge of obedience and I've come to serve, so count me in.

I'm kind of glad I did.

From the Bible,

There's a great kind of encouragement that always keeps me going.

The Lord never gives us a call to do something without giving us the grace to do it and the mercy when we fall.

And that gives me a lot of consolation, Clark.

One of the things from which good leadership flows, Clark, is a sense of humility.

I often say to myself and other people, I need all the help I can get.

Sometimes I'm afraid people look at the Catholic Church as like this monarchy, and I'm afraid sometimes we bishops have done that in the past.

Those days of autonomy, autocracy, one-man shows are mostly over, as we bishops have learned sometimes the hard way.

Hey,

We're not in this by ourselves, and we need to trust confidence and collaboration of our people who themselves are leaders.

So the church has always mandated that there would be leadership bodies within the church.

For instance, the church would expect that every parish would have a parish council.