His Eminence Cardinal Timothy Dolan

So it's kind of a good example of grace and nature.

You know, the great theologian St.

Thomas Aquinas says, God's grace builds on human nature.

So there's a lot of human stuff

that goes on at the Conclave, but there's also a lot of grace there.

I would think that that would apply to the decisions that our folks have to make.

Don't you think?

A very defining moment for me as a man, as a priest, as a bishop, as a spiritual leader came when my little niece, Shannon, who was eight years old, developed very aggressive bone cancer.

The sadness, the sorrow, the worry, the anxiety, the coming together as a family, the trust that we had in physicians in which we were not disappointed, medicine and prayer, prayer, prayer.

That taught me a lot.

I would say there were times that I doubted my faith.

I would say there were times when I said, God, are you sure I trust you with my life and with Shannon's life, but are you sure you know what you're doing?

There was some doubt.

There was some skepticism there.

But ultimately, I would say that simple prayer that

We often say, Jesus, I trust in thee.

And darn it, it paid off.

Shannon is now 35, happily married.

I often examine my conscience, Clark, to say, what if she had died?

would I have lost my trust in my faith?