His Eminence Cardinal Timothy Dolan

I'm sure I would have been tempted to.

I don't think I would have because I would still have said, Lord, this wasn't quite the outcome we hoped for, but deep down, we believe she's with you and she's cured and she's enjoying eternity and she's waiting for us.

So it might not be the easiest way,

but we believe she's still alive and that you've healed her in eternity.

That was kind of a defining moment for me.

And that would help me in times of my own trauma and the difficulties that as a leader, we all have to bear.

Your leaders tell you all the time, you have a nice agenda for the day and you're prepared to handle that.

You cannot prepare for the crises and they come more frequently than we want.

I think that experience was defining and normative for me.

There are.

The kind of epic one would be the disciple of St.

Paul.

Paul chose a man named Timothy to accompany him on his missionary journeys.

It's after him I am named.

I have to tell you, when I was in second grade,

Sister Mary Bosco, she asked each of us, who's your patron saint?

I said, well, sister, I don't know.

She said, well, you go ask your mom and dad.

So I went home and I said, mom, after which St.

Timothy am I named?