Holly Buckley
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first heard Jan 2025
last heard Jun 2025
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And I was poking around this weekend and found a fair amount of these. And we've seen VMG, the kind of valuation, other healthcare consultant services business has PE investment. Coca Group took investment from Trinity Hunt. Chartus from Blackstone and Chartus is the parent company of Gerard, which is the healthcare PR firm.
And we're also seeing investment in consulting companies in the pharma services sector. And so just an area that is interesting as a professional services professional myself to see private equity kind of moving into these other areas. professional service spheres and kind of looking at how they can grow and combine and elevate. So I think super interesting.
We'll be talking about that at our conference in May as well. But just yet another area that we're going to see a fair amount of developments.
No, I mean, I think it's a lot of the same stuff we've been talking about. We're seeing a fair amount of exits, um, both kind of getting started and also underway and having just closed. So the exit market seems to be relatively strong, also seeing some good new deals come to market.
And so I think we're still optimistic this is going to be a good year, probably not a great year, but a really solid year. But the three we've talked about are the ones that are really top of mind for me.
Thank you.
Thanks, Scott. Thanks very much for having me here today. Holly Buckley, I chair the healthcare practice at McGuire Woods. My personal practice is around healthcare M&A, healthcare regulatory work, for both private equity funds, private equity-backed portfolio companies, as well as traditional healthcare participants.
As a firm, we have one of the top healthcare groups in the country, as well as healthcare private equity, kind of lower market, middle market. And we also have the top independent sponsor and emerging manager legal practices. And just a very quick plug for our 21st Healthcare Private Equity Conference in May, the 14th and 15th at the RITC. in Chicago. It's going to be a great event.
We have Lance Armstrong as our keynote speaker, and you can find details at healthcareprivateequity.com.
Great. So a couple of things that jump out, and this year and last year were very different than prior years in that we had this quick emergence of state-level pre-transaction filing requirements.
So while you'd have the federal antitrust filing for transactions above a certain size, a number of states came out with laws that said if you're doing a transaction of either any size or any size above a certain pretty low threshold that involves healthcare or healthcare private equity, you need to file with the state before that transaction closes and have some level of
review over that transaction. So some of the states with those laws are Washington, Oregon, California, Nevada, New Mexico, Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana, New York, Connecticut, and Massachusetts. And just in the last few weeks, at least six state legislatures have introduced bills to curtail or demand more information about healthcare transactions. So this is just a very rapidly moving area.
And for anyone investing in health care businesses, it's critical to be on top of these because they can trip you up and they can also create slowdowns in your closing timelines.
Yeah, so some states are really, really tricky. So, for example, Oregon, I think, is maybe 180 day pre-closing notice. So there's certainly a lot of investors that will stay away from Oregon at this point. And the same is true of some other states. There are other states that, while they have requirements, the timelines are maybe not super long. They're not actually preventing deals from closing.
It's more a matter of an additional step in the process, but we're not seeing regulators actually try to thwart deals. But I think it is creating some reluctance in certain states. You wouldn't be surprised that California is one of them, right? It's a difficult state, and And it's always been difficult. And some investors have an appetite and others don't.
So we will see this factor into decisions around where to invest and who's willing to invest.
Yeah, I think one other one I would touch on is we're seeing a lot of excitement and interest in post-acute care and kind of the movement to health care at home. We saw it last year too, and it's been around. I mean, this isn't a new thing, but we are seeing a lot of excitement and energy around it.
And I think this would include things like home infusion, hospice, home health, skilled and unskilled. And I think with the new administration, we're likely to see less regulatory burdens. and oversight, which I think will help continue to accelerate investment in this space.
So for example, maybe there'll be a repeal of the 80-20 rule, which requires 80% of Medicaid payments going to direct care workers. Also with maybe more flexibility around workers and more movement towards Medicare Advantage, we think that this area will continue to be pretty hot and we'll continue to see more transaction volume this year.
So my prediction is there's going to be less, but not a lot less. I think Lena Kahn was, you know, an outlier. She was a lot more aggressive than we've seen in a very long time out of the FTC. But I think the FTC's priorities are somewhat bipartisan. And I think that there's still going to be a lot of desire to put pressure on private equity, private equity investments.
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