Holly Wainwright

He says early in the piece, HS Tiki Toki, that my mum hates all the things I say.

She's a feminist and she doesn't like racism and stuff.

And then she's in it later on and she's like, no, she doesn't like it, but she still defends him to the hilt because he's her boy.

At one point, Tiki Toki turns to his mum and says, but mum, most women aren't like you, mum.

Most women are thick.

They're really, really thick.

They're not like you.

And it's just...

Anyway, but I do think there is a world in which Louis Theroux's, you know, that wasn't happening when he was embedded with the Westboro Baptist Church, when he was infiltrating white supremacy in the American South.

He wasn't the story in the same way that he is now.

He wasn't being exploited about it in the same way he is now.

And I just think it's changed that game.

And I don't know how helpful it is.

I know what you mean, but also his strength used to be that he walks them into a trap where they'll say something outrageous or let an inside thought be an outside thought.

But that's what these guys do all day, every day, is just say awful stuff.

Louis doesn't have to tempt them to say anything awful.

He doesn't have to trap them.

In fact, he has to become complicit.

There's a really disturbed, one of the most disturbing parts for me is when he goes on the podcast of one of the guys.

I think it's Myron Gaines, who's a really disturbing character.