Holly Wainwright

Yeah.

Yeah.

As I say, in some ways I found this much less scary than I thought because they do all appear to be just facades, you know, just empty salesmen, like the equivalent of the guy who used to come and try and sell you a used car or whatever.

And they don't care at all about the ideology.

None of these guys seem to care even a little bit about the ideology they're peddling.

But the problem is, is their followers probably do buy into it.

And that was confronting.

But then the other thing was, is I was telling Amelia about it this morning and I was saying, lol, these guys are all so unserious.

They can't stand by a single thing they said.

At the end, HS Tiki Toki is saying, yeah, I said I hate Jews, but I don't.

Like, I'm not anti-Semitic.

I just say that.

And I say I hate gay people.

But hey, that guy over there, he's gay.

He's my like...

They can't stand by a single thing.

They're not serious people.

And I said that to Amelia and she said.

And it doesn't really matter in a way if you don't believe the anti-Semitic bullshit you're spouting if it's all out there and getting shared and disseminated.

I bet a lot of people who are listening to this are like, I've got a son.