Holly Wainwright

But then it goes without saying that it can also be a really difficult time for a lot of people if you've lost your mum, if you want to be a mum.

And that now also has to come into a lot of the declarations is that we're celebrating this, but we also recognise that that's not for everybody, so it becomes complicated.

But the thing about it getting bigger and bigger and bigger, and we're finally recognising this enormous job, is that is there ever really enough ways

to reward a mother for what she's doing.

Now, Claire, I think you and Jessie went on live TV.

I don't know if it was last year, the year before, and maybe said that there wasn't.

How did that go down?

Some people might say that you guys were being funny.

They've all got some good points.

Some really good points.

But I do think that you and Jessie were being facetious deliberately.

Well, I think it does in some ways.

I mean, there's no question if you've lost your dad, Father's Day is going to hit you incredibly hard.

If you're estranged from any parent, it's going to hit you hard.

If you're estranged from your children, it's going to hit you hard.

But the fact that the world is complicated and there are lots of different experiences within it,

It shouldn't mean that you can't celebrate anything.

But also we don't make as much fuss about Father's Day.

We really don't.

In my bloody house, Father's Day is a big deal.