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Camp Gagnon
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Yeah, man. So he just comes and cleans me up. He kind of comes and knocks off every single dead skin molecule on my face. Hell yeah. This is like after four days of trying as hard as I can for it to come back.
Camp Gagnon
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I looked at it and I was like, yo, I kind of fuck with this. Everybody in the room started laughing.
Camp Gagnon
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Oh, I'm with that though. Hey, look.
Camp Gagnon
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had like a baby like out of wedlock or whatever you want to call it and then and then I'm the makeup baby and and so they kind of like got like together and like had me and then like shortly after I was born they like split again and my mom was like a heavy crack user and
Camp Gagnon
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Imagine being married for five years and still acting like a young dude.
Camp Gagnon
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That's what happens. You know, it's really cold in the winter and hot as fuck in the summer.
Camp Gagnon
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Yeah, but I mean, you know, that's cool.
Camp Gagnon
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Oh, you do comedy shows? You do stand-up comedy? What did they tell you before you came here?
Camp Gagnon
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I think I got like a, they don't like to tell me a whole lot.
Camp Gagnon
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I'm just trying to make you feel comfortable, bro.
Camp Gagnon
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Everyone from Missouri, dude. That's so funny, bro, because it's on my bus. I'm on the bus on tour with all my best friends. I grew up with these guys, right? I mean, best friends are the stretch. But I did grow up with all these guys. Like, I've known them since I was a kid. And our bus driver is, like, he's, like, a redneck dude, you know?
Camp Gagnon
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And he owns a trucking company, and he's, like, all that.
Camp Gagnon
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So, you know, it's crazy. Like to be completely real, bro. I mean, you can Google it. Like it's a notoriously like racist place. Really? Where I'm at in Southwest Missouri. I think that the town that I grew up with was the last town in America to lynch a person for being black.
Camp Gagnon
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what yeah so it's like it's like a it's like that um whenever i was growing up like it kind of started to get more diverse my godfather is a black man and his kids are all black and my dad and they moved to town and um so there was like a family of of you know you know 10 black people and then um
Camp Gagnon
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The town next to me is Monette, Missouri, and they are famous for, Tyson's is there, Tyson's Chicken Plant, and they don't, you can work there without any ID. So you don't have to have a green card, you don't have to do anything. So they're famous for that. So a lot of people come from Mexico to Monette.
Camp Gagnon
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There was quite a bit of Hispanic people, and then there was, like, a family or maybe two families of, like, black people. But it's, like, mostly fucking, like, those guys. Whoa. You know, like, it's, like, yeah, it's pretty rough. But I think it's getting way better, dude.
Camp Gagnon
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And honestly, like, I visited recently, and, like, even dudes that whenever I was growing up were, like, assholes and stuff, they're kind of, like, getting soft and stuff. I think it's way better now.
Camp Gagnon
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Well, dude, thankfully, I'm blessed. My stepmom is she's from Atlanta, Georgia, and she's like, she grew up without any white people. And so I met her whenever I was four years old. And so she, like, I never, it was never like that for me. My house was always, like, a safe spot for shit like that.
Camp Gagnon
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Bro, I remember being at the creek and I'm like swimming. I probably was like seven, eight years old. I don't know. And all of a sudden, like boom, black trucks are pulling up at the creek like... And, like, they're, like, jumping out, and they're, like, yelling at my mom. And they, like, go up to my mom's car and, like, bust her trunk open, and it's, like, they're, like, raiding her.
Camp Gagnon
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And my mom was very, like, she would let us know, like, whenever, you know, if we had, like, a friend, one of my good friends was a Mexican kid, and there was, like, times where people weren't treating him right, and she would, like, tell us, like, they're doing that because he's Mexican and you guys are white. And my mom also said shit like... back then she would say finna or trina.
Camp Gagnon
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Like she talked like she was from the hood. Like she had more of a hood slang. She spoke in like Ebonics or whatever it's called. And so it was just like different. I think I was like really aware of it. But I would see it everywhere. But, you know, it was never like, like never in our house was it ever like that. I never one time grew up like that. Like I always knew.
Camp Gagnon
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I wasn't even allowed to say like the R word. Like, you know what I'm saying? Shit like that. like my stepmom was like from the jump she like let us know so but you know we grew up and we seen it and also i think my stepmom is like my core friend group and and the people i grew up with are have more of a sense of like culture and stuff because of my stepmom like like
Camp Gagnon
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you know she would she would get on their ass about like yo like you know that's so your stepmom really held it down she held it down like a and like the like the house like you even mentioned like josh's came through like everyone josh's man we all got a josh mine's name is shay shout out to him he's definitely gonna watch this that's crazy and so they would just come over and just hang and like that was there man yeah they would live live there eat dinner like like i would come home maybe uh maybe me and my brothers aren't there for the night
Camp Gagnon
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And we would come home and my mom would have a hamburger helper made and Josh would be at the table eating it with, you know, Trevor Davis, which is another dude that was like the homie. Did you fight growing up? Yeah. I mean, I had like mad older brothers often as fuck, honestly. Yeah, we was like fighting. That's kind of like, we were little shitheads. We was fighting every day, basically.
Camp Gagnon
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No, it's funny that you say that, though, because I've always been like that. I've always been, you know, like, I've always been down to, you know, squabble up. But I was just in Detroit or maybe, no, I was in Madison, Wisconsin. And I'm with my boys and we're on tour. And this dude, we're walking across the street and this dude almost hit us with his car.
Camp Gagnon
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And he rolls his window down and he's like, fuck you. And I was like, fuck you. And he's like, I'm going to pull over. And I was like, do it. And he pulls over. And so I'm like, okay, bet. I'm about to get my onesie with this guy. All right. I'm emptying my pockets. I put my hat down. I square up with him. And I'm like, and we're just like squared up for like a couple of seconds. And nobody's.
Camp Gagnon
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And she, like, went to the feds that night. Whoa. And I was, like, a little seven-year-old kid just, like, standing there, like, wait, I went home with a boyfriend. What? So my mom was, like, in mad abusive relationships, all the cliche shit of, like, you know, like, the tweaker shit, you know? Yeah. But, you know, I loved her. She was cool still. It was all good.
Camp Gagnon
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And I'm just thinking to myself, I don't think I have it in me to punch this dude. And it's like taking me a few seconds and I don't punch him. And all of a sudden here comes my boy Shea. Lights him up, boom, dude falls down. We ended up getting a little squabble, but I never even threw a punch. I was trying to break it up.
Camp Gagnon
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And then the dude followed us up the block, and then my other boy Hunter, the bus driver I was telling you about, he fucking clobbered this fucking guy. And they ended up beating the shit out of this dude, but I didn't even throw a punch. Wow. So I think maybe now... Now you're old. Like I'm a pussy. Low key. Welcome to the club, baby.
Camp Gagnon
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I'm pretty sure I'm a pussy now. But back in the day, I remember... You were confrontational, though. Like you enjoyed the confrontation. Back in the day? Yeah. Actually not. Actually, I never really enjoyed the confrontation. But it was like, I was just about to say this earlier. Fighting was like a sport, kind of. You know, it was kind of like I just wanted to win.
Camp Gagnon
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Like I never really got hella mad like that to like...
Camp Gagnon
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getting fight every time i could think of me being hella mad i always got my ass like whooped like the times where i was like fighting trying to win yeah it would be like kind of more like a sport and bro we would meet up like like we did this thing on fridays after school where we went into my buddy's backyard right when his mom built a fence because it was like pretty small and it was like a square and we would all meet up and just like throw ones there and like fight like bet for money and you put money on it i'm just like you know five ten bucks and
Camp Gagnon
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I remember one year we all took sparklers. You ever made a sparkler bomb? No. Type shit. How do you make that? Yeah, bro. So you get sparklers, a lot of sparklers, like this many worth, and you just like black tape. You light one, it ends up blowing up. Really? Yeah, it's like crazy as fuck. Oh, that's sick as hell. You got to Google that shit. Oh, hey, Jamie, pull up Sparkler Bomb on YouTube.
Camp Gagnon
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I know a dude that got his hand blown off by this shit, but one year we were betting sparklers near the 4th of July on fights.
Camp Gagnon
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I remember my buddy Alex fought my other buddy Kenny. Yeah, look, that's a sparkler bomb. That's a tiny one.
Camp Gagnon
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That's like a baby one, bro. Imagine this time. How fat would you make it? Dude, I'm telling you, I'm making them this big. I make them every year to this day, except they're federally illegal, so I'm joking. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, this is parody.
Camp Gagnon
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Parody's nuts on your face.
Camp Gagnon
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I've seen them ladies outside earlier. You seen them ladies?
Camp Gagnon
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Now imagine that times 10 and then you put a barrel on top and you screw shit on top of it. It blows it like 100 feet in the air.
Camp Gagnon
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Did you ever get arrested when you were a kid? Yeah. For what? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just like bullshit. I got arrested whenever I was like 15 because they were trying to pull me over and I ran from the cops and then like the next day they like knew where I lived. So they came and arrested me. I feel like running from the cops shouldn't be illegal.
Camp Gagnon
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I still fuck with crackheads to this day. I love me a good crackhead.
Camp Gagnon
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Yeah, and like, dude, it was like kind of, we had like a, there was only one cop on duty where I'm from. You knew the cop? In the whole town? Yeah, there was a cop that got fired one time because like he would come kick it with us. His name was Tiny Tim and he would like bring us weed. What did Tiny Tim look like? Oh man, bro, guess, man. He was like 5'6", 5'7".
Camp Gagnon
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He was like, you guys like cops in here? I like good people.
Camp Gagnon
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Yeah, good people for sure. Yeah, but he was a cop, bro. He was a 5'5 cop. Wow.
Camp Gagnon
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Have I dated one? Yeah. No, I haven't really dated like that. I've only had two girlfriends. Did you smash a crackhead, though? Would I smash a crackhead? Yeah. R.I.P. to Jenny Crow, by the way.
Camp Gagnon
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Tiny Tim was his name. He used to live with our homies. Dad, yeah. Just Tiny Tim. My brother actually one time, Tiny Tim fucking tased him, and my brother hit him with a brick in the head.
Camp Gagnon
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and he locked him up put him in the back of the car and i remember my brother i'm upstairs in my bedroom and i'm watching the cops talk to my parents and they're like they got all this paper you know and my brother's like drunk in the back seat he's probably like 17 18 he's like screaming avery jamie and we're like we're like what like upstairs like watching through the window with the window pulled up he's like watch this he goes i'm gonna count down from five and i'm gonna break out of here and the cops are like shaylin like chill out chill out
Camp Gagnon
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He gets all the way down to one, and he busts the fucking window out with his feet, runs out in handcuffs, starts running down the road. Boom, boom, running down the road, running from the cop. Jukes that motherfucker. Puts the AI moves on him. Boom. Runs down the way, and I remember watching him get tackled. It was actually low-key sad, but, like, looking back, hilarious. That's wild.
Camp Gagnon
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You can get away with shit like that where I'm from because, like, You knew all the cops. Yeah, and the cop would be like, Shaylin, could be in a dumb ass. Yeah, like I know your mom. Yeah, he wouldn't pull his gun and try to shoot you or whatever. There was one sheriff that was kind of an asshole, and he would pull his gun on anything. Really?
Camp Gagnon
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Yeah, like my homegirl at the time, she was smoking weed on a roof, and he pulled a gun on her and made her jump off the roof, and she broke her foot. No fucking way. Yeah.
Camp Gagnon
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That's our town crackhead where I'm growing up. R.I.P. to her. No. Shit. What happened?
Camp Gagnon
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Yeah, like, as far as, like... Just, like, shenanigans.
Camp Gagnon
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, that sounds like some pretty... It was fun.
Camp Gagnon
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Nah, bro. She got hit by a car. No. Yeah, she used to walk around. Jenny Crow, R.I.P. Fucking whatever the religious... R.I.P., dude.
Camp Gagnon
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Yeah, I don't know, shit like that, bro. Yeah, whenever I was growing up, I lived a block away from the middle school, which was like an old building from like the 1920s. And that ended up shutting down, and there was like four or five years where it was abandoned. So that was like a place where we would go hang out. We would run from the cops, but where I'm from, bro, it's different.
Camp Gagnon
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I might tell you a story and be like, we would run from the cops. There's a story I tell on a different podcast where I'm talking about robbing the concession stand at the high school. Me and my homies did that one night, and we ran from the police for hours on foot. But it's different because you can't do that here. In New York City, you can't do that. You're getting caught.
Camp Gagnon
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Um, you know, it's like a, it's, it's like a cool little blend of like, you know, there's like a Catholic school. So there's like mad Catholic kids. And then if you're not a Catholic kid, you're like, your parents are probably on drugs.
Camp Gagnon
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You're getting your door kicked in. There's guns being drawn.
Camp Gagnon
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There's cameras everywhere. Where I was at, it was, like, a couple of cops trying to, like, and they're kind of having fun. Yeah. And it's, like, not that big of a deal because it's, like, what did we take? $200 worth of candy from, you know, this tiny concession stand? They also probably kind of know it was you. And they probably know it was us.
Camp Gagnon
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So it's, like, yeah, we're just going to follow up with his mom tomorrow. Yeah, exactly. Like, literally. So, but robbing a concession stand was crazy. But I think just, like, in general, man, I really lived a childhood of, like,
Camp Gagnon
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very little parents, you know, like it was like I could pretty much do, you know, I could be home whenever I wanted really, you know, I never really like, I got in trouble sometimes, but I never got into like serious trouble. Like, like if I was in serious trouble, I'm like getting my ass whooped by my dad. I'm not like being grounded for a month. Like I was never grounded.
Camp Gagnon
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Got the belt on you for a month. The fucking hands, bud. Oh, really?
Camp Gagnon
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Yeah, I don't get the fucking hands, dude.
Camp Gagnon
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Like, unfortunately, look, man. I don't think that, like, shit's cool. But, like, I think I wouldn't. I had to grow up how I did. So I don't blame my dad for none of this shit. But, yeah, bro, like, there would be times, like, I remember getting in trouble after one of my football games for, like, going and hanging out with these kids instead of coming home.
Camp Gagnon
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And, like, when I came home, like, my dad fucking...
Camp Gagnon
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yoked me up and like he's pulling me all the way to the bathroom and i'm like trying to get away from him and like we ended up falling into the bathroom or into the bathtub and he's like on top of me you know like smacking me and shit so it was like that but i mean you know but that's only when i got in trouble for uh that didn't happen a lot bro like you know i mean i only got in trouble five times probably you know i would get in like petty trouble and shit and have to do like somebody's chore or take the trash out or some bullshit did you try to stay out of trouble
Camp Gagnon
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Whoa. Or they're like secretly on drugs. And so a lot of people are secretly on drugs, you know?
Camp Gagnon
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Um, I just, everybody around me was always in so much trouble, bro, I was always just kind of, like, around it, I never really, myself, I never really, like, did shit to get in trouble, but, like, my friends were crazy as fuck, and, like, my brothers were, too, so, I was kind of just around, I think that people knew that, too, like, like, my parents knew, like, you know, if there was, like, a time where maybe I'm getting in trouble, like...
Camp Gagnon
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I probably, you know, wasn't the instigator. Right. I was probably just in the wrong spot at the wrong time, you know, or, you know, there was times where I was the instigator too, but, but yeah, I don't think that like, I don't know. They, they kind of seen me for who I was. Like they, they knew that I was like, I was just an emotional kid. I was never like a fucking bad kid.
Camp Gagnon
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But I mean, like, I meant, like, meth, though. Like, secretly on meth? Like, pills, too, but, like, yeah, like, secretly on meth. Like, I know that same homie, I'm not going to say her name, but the same homie, I'm telling you, that was, like, a 45-year-old that was facilitating us to do drugs as teenagers. She's, like, everybody in the town, like, would ridicule her because it's a small town.
Camp Gagnon
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I don't know if they do yet.
Camp Gagnon
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Yeah, I never had a lunchbox.
Camp Gagnon
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Yeah, the one that went to prison when we were 17. Yeah, like we was smoking like, I mean, like you ever smoke grapevine? I've never heard of Grapevine. Yeah, bro. Oh, this is actually, like, well, I'll just say, like, this is, like, some cool shit to do, but, like, now we're 30 damn near.
Camp Gagnon
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But, like, just, like, go back to being, like, 10 years old with your homies, and I could show you what it is. It's kind of like Grapevine is, like, uh... Where we're from, there's literal grapevine, and so it's a vine that's empty in the middle, and you take it and you light it, and you can just puff on it. It's almost like an incense.
Camp Gagnon
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It almost burns like an incense, but you can puff on it and blow it out like a cigar. You don't want to inhale it, but you can puff on it and blow it out like a cigar. Does it give you a bug? If you inhale it, it would, but that's just because you're inhaling fucking wooden smoke. Not because it's like... It's any shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It just would feel like...
Camp Gagnon
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inhaling a fire but you're not supposed to inhale you're supposed to just taste it and we was doing that from like he had us on grapevine when i was like nine years old like whoa walking around town chief and grapevine yeah we would have like mad grapevine in our pocket we'd go down to like the fair and we'd just be walking around like there was like joints of cigarettes or something would you buy them or would you literally pick them off the tree you pick them off the tree that's so you're tom sawyer character bro but i remember getting caught smoking grapevine at howdy neighbor days which is the the carnival and like my dad's
Camp Gagnon
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That was one of those times, man. He smacked on the back of the head, fucking dragged to the car. You know, you're not going to be smoking shit, you know, like get that the fuck out of hand. And, you know, we played sports too. So there was like a, you know, like a kind of a, I don't know how, like a lot of parents and stuff like that.
Camp Gagnon
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They knew we were shitheads and shit like that, but then it would come like sports times and it would kind of be like, yeah, and we'd have to straighten up and they would, you know, want us on their team because there's not a whole lot of people for the team anyways.
Camp Gagnon
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I think my dad was just like... He just didn't want me to be a fucking... He didn't want me to be like my mom. So I don't know that he didn't have that. When I got older, I started getting fucked up with my dad.
Camp Gagnon
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you know like i started getting like when i was 20 years old 21 years old i'm like dragon and like on drugs dude what drugs are you doing with your dad well i mean i'm just like doing my own drugs at my dad's house you know what i'm saying my dad is doing his own drugs oh really like he's popping pills that was this thing and like back then i would be doing like yeah i would be doing like acid and blow and shit like that and and i would be coming over yeah fucked up and just getting fucked up and you guys would just talk shit like
Camp Gagnon
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They're like, oh, they know that she's on drugs, but she would be doing drugs with... you know, everybody's parents. And it's like, you know, only if you're getting caught, really, are you being, like, ridiculed or whatever. And so what was your dad like at the time? My dad was cool at the time, man. Like, he was great. He worked, like, a cool factory job, you know.
Camp Gagnon
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We just talked shit. He was amazing. He was one of the boys. But also, you know, as I got older, like, I kind of grew up, like, I saw shit really early. And so I was, like, always kind of, like, I was what kept, like, my brothers talking to my mom and shit like that. Like, I was the baby. And I was, like, pretty emotional. So, like, and everybody knew that, you know.
Camp Gagnon
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So it was kind of, like, the backbone of, like, us having, like, a family. So whenever I got older, like, 21 years old, I might as well have been 40, you know, like, to my parents. Right. They didn't. You're very mature. Yeah.
Camp Gagnon
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well not i really wasn't that mature but just to them they they'd known you know the shit that i'd known i i was paying my dad's bills for like a whole year one time and nobody knew that my dad was like broke but i was like i had money because i was like selling weed and they knew that and so i was i knew shit that like my siblings didn't know and shit like that because i was like helping you had a different relationship yeah my dad would hit me up and be like yo i'm i'm
Camp Gagnon
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shaking today I ain't I haven't like taken a fucking Xanax in a week and I'm like puking today and like my other siblings wouldn't know that so you'd hit your boy tell that no I never got my dad pills not even one time oh really never but he would tell me though and he would always cry afterwards because he would be like I'm sorry because I never got him no because I don't fuck with that shit but and I never fucked with that shit that's that's heavy like he's talking about like his addiction kind of and yeah like asking for help for sure but like in the wrong way yeah yeah
Camp Gagnon
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It would just be sad, bro. I would cry. I don't know, man. It would just be sad. It would be like, you ever heard, like, bro, it's the most terrible thing for somebody, like, man, to look at you and you could just see that they're, like, they're hurting. And, like, my dad, when he was, like, on drugs, he was, like, hurting.
Camp Gagnon
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And if he was asking me for pills, that means that he's, like, feeling like, man, he's about to die or something. Yeah. And so it would just hurt. It would just be like, ah, like... I can't, you know, I'm not going to get you pills and I can't believe you would ask me that. I'm your son. Like, whoa, you know, like, like too far. I remember I got out of jail one time and he come and pick me up.
Camp Gagnon
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His fucking bitch ass was like two hours late. And I'm like, why the fuck you late? And he was just like laughing. He was a funny dude, the funniest dude ever. And he was just laughing and he's like, what type of jail?
Camp Gagnon
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what type of bird don't sing a jailbird motherfucker like just hop in you want to ride or not and and then like we get halfway down the road and he goes from like laughing and joking to like crying and being like i'm sorry i was trying to get pills and i couldn't find them and blah blah blah and like i need your help can you help me find them and i'm like drop me off like let me out right here
Camp Gagnon
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We're on a back road. I'm like, let me out right here before I fucking punch you in the face. I can't believe you would say that. Like, I was just in jail, and I need you, bro. Like, you know, you're my pops. Like, you're supposed to be here to pick me up, and you're immediately asking me about pills. Like, what the fuck, dude? Yeah. And so it was kind of like that.
Camp Gagnon
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He was, like, he played, like, in a men's league in baseball. So, like, I grew up, like... watching that and thinking it was, like, badass, you know? He was, like... You thought he was pro. Oh, oh, my God, I did. I remember one time he was rounding second, and he tripped on second and, like, rolled halfway to third, and I'm like, okay, he's not pro.
Camp Gagnon
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But then, you know, at the same time, I grew up where, like... I was raised by my siblings, you know? Like, I was raised by my older brother and my sister. My sister was, like... And my stepmom. Like, that's who I was raised by. So, like, I was never my mom's boy. I was always her homie. Like, I was always, you know... Like, I knew what was going on. I was her homie.
Camp Gagnon
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I was seeing shit nobody was seeing. I was never... Like, I was my dad's son until I...
Camp Gagnon
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started having armpit hair and shit like that and then it was like oh i'm a teenage kid and i was and he was working and it was like all of a sudden you know sports wasn't that important and all of a sudden like doing these things father son type shit just wasn't that important because he's got to work and i'm a teenager it's about time for me to start working like as soon as we was 15 like we all had to try to start find a job get a job i never did though all my other siblings did but i was i fucking always hated having a job but you made some money some other way
Camp Gagnon
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Not in high school, bro, for real. No, my dad kicked me out when I was 18, and he was like, you got to get an apartment. Why did he kick you out? Because I was 18.
Camp Gagnon
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Well, they all moved out. Basically everybody but my sister moved out when they were 16 because they wanted to like go be fucking whatever. But I was 18. Yeah, he's like, it's time to go. You got to go try to figure it out. If you don't have it figured out by 21, like you can come stay for another year, but you got to go figure it out.
Camp Gagnon
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And the weed thing just happened because, are we allowed to talk about this? Yeah. The weed thing just happened because, bro... As long as you don't have a case. I'm in a... Yeah, I'm in a... I don't have a case. I'm in a fucking garage. I'm with that lady.
Camp Gagnon
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This is my third... I'm about to tell you to pull her up here in a second. I'm with that lady, and she's got some tweaker-ass friends over, and I don't even smoke weed at the time, and this crackhead comes in, and he's got a fucking pound of weed. You ever seen a pound of weed before? It was, like, stacked up, saran wrap? No, no, no. Just in a giant bag. Like a trash bag?
Camp Gagnon
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basically yeah yeah and he's like um he's like hey man you think you can get rid of this i'm like thinking to myself oh i'm about to steal it from you fucking tweaker and i'm like yeah dude like let me get it and he's like here you go and he's like go try to get rid of it some crazy crackhead shit right i go home i call my boy i'm like hey bro this crackhead just gave me a pound of weed he's like no way and i'm like what and he's like this guy just asked me if i knew where to get weed at
Camp Gagnon
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He comes to me and he's like, I need a pound. Give him the pound, flip it. Made 500 bucks that day. I'm tripping.
Camp Gagnon
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I'm like tripping. So it just went from that, bro. I just started getting, you know, lots of weed.
Camp Gagnon
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Low-key, though, for real, I was just a dude that was, I was just one plug, and I knew about five plugs, and they all needed, you know, 10, 15, 20 pounds a week, and I was just facilitating that, for real. And how much money were you making on, like, a weekly basis when you were doing that deep? In my, like, prime?
Camp Gagnon
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Probably, like, weekly, 25,000, probably. What? In my prime. 25k weekly a week probably yeah and so what is that like I remember one weekend I spent $60,000 and I was like a nobody with no car I had no I was living in a sketchy apartment with roaches in it and shit like that but like if you're making $25,000 a week tax free Except metaphorically.
Camp Gagnon
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So I'm 18 years old. I got no credit. I got nothing like that. I'm buying, like me and all my homies got fresh shoes on, right? We all got a car. We all got like a little car. We all got a little motorcycle, right? I'm paying my dad's rent. I'm breaking off my brothers all the time. I remember I would go, the guys that I was selling weed to, they didn't count their money. You don't count $25,000.
Camp Gagnon
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No, he was cool, though, and he, like, worked a cool job, and, like, he was at work most of the time, but he really held it down, like, until I was a teenager, like, really, you know, was the only, like...
Camp Gagnon
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You put it on a scale and it weighs 2,500 grams because every dollar bill is a gram. And so that's what you do. And you would weigh it. And so a lot of the time,
Camp Gagnon
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like we would fuck dude this is so terrible we would like set our scale a half gram like off and so they would weigh up like 1500 extra dollars and I would be like going and just I mean I'm handing it to the boys like that's kind of what we were doing for a while and that that was like really like that yeah there was a time where that was like going really heavy man but um but my friends like my two best friends at that time both got federally indicted for selling weed so I
Camp Gagnon
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So, and they're both still locked up. And one of them's going to be for, I'll never see him again. And the other one's going to be locked up for the next like five years. So I was kind of just like, and that's another thing. I was kind of just in that circle.
Camp Gagnon
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And like, that was a, I remember this time where I'm at this party and I'm hanging out with like, I'm the only white dude in the room and everybody's got big old guns. And, and we're like shooting dice. We're like throwing dice in the living room. And I remember a shootout starts to happen and these dudes start shooting and they run outside and my boy comes up to me.
Camp Gagnon
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And I'm thinking, like, I thought I was a gangster, right? Because I sell weed to these gangsters. So I just thought I was one, but I wasn't, right? And he comes up to me and he's like, hey, bro, I want you to know. And this is in the mid of people like, wow. He's like, I want you to know, bro, we think you're a cool white kid. He's like, you're a hippie, bro. Like, you don't have to be here.
Camp Gagnon
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He's like, we like you because you're sweet and you're sensitive. Like, we don't expect you to stay here and try to be a gangster. He's like, why don't you go and leave out the back door? And I ran out the back door and never seen him again. Never seen any of them again. Never. I quit selling, like, maybe a couple of weeks later. And, like, I was like, this isn't for me, bro.
Camp Gagnon
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Like, yeah, this is getting scary. And, like, my friends are getting locked up. And people are getting shot at. And, like, we're getting robbed. I got my house kicked in before. I've been pistol whipped and all types of shit from people trying to steal weed.
Camp Gagnon
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dude in the house like he was making the money you know stuff like that and and um him and his wife she was like just a waitress so you know she would be like working every day all the time my stepmom was she's basically my mom but um she like raised me like my mom but um yeah he was just like a regular dad bro like a like a big dude mad tattoos he drove harleys and and and fucking had a truck and um but yeah we like kind of grew up like uh where i'm from bro like like we grew up on
Camp Gagnon
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So like I was really like, oh man, bro. Metaphorically, I was like really kind of just like, I was like a DJ Khaled type where I was really never in the room, but I'm connecting all the people to be in the room. Or I would hire a driver to come, hey, yo, come pick this up for me and bring it over there. So I didn't really have to fuck with it.
Camp Gagnon
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But there was a time where my homie, I let him live with me. And he was like a runner for me. And they assumed that he was the plug. And I got like these dudes, they come up to my house. They're like running up to my house. I could tell you the story. Fuck it. I'm just telling you the whole story. They're like running up to my house. And I hear this car door. It's like a car door slam.
Camp Gagnon
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And I hear like an engine. And I look outside and I see these dudes running up with baseball bats. So I call my boy. I'm like, I'm getting robbed. I'm getting robbed. They got baseball bats. I throw my phone down. We're like looking for weapons because at this time I don't have any weapons. I'm 21 years old. I don't have like weapons or nothing like that. And boom, they kicked the door.
Camp Gagnon
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My friend is like 400 pounds. So he's like hanging on the door. They're like kicking him. And he's like, get something, get something. Boom, the door flies open. I'm right in front of the door. The guys right here, there's two dudes coming in and a pistol hits the ground and slides all the way to my feet. And I look down and I look up and I'm like, oh.
Camp Gagnon
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And I realized their baseball bats were AR-15s with silencers on them. They weren't even baseball bats. Boom, they got them, like, pointed at us, and they're, like, pointing them at us, and I'm looking at this pistol on the ground, and I'm looking at the dude, and the dude's got another pistol in his hand. He's like, don't even do it.
Camp Gagnon
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And he grabs the pistol all slow-like, and he's like, everybody get on their hands and knees. My girlfriend at the time mouths off to him, and she's like, you're not going to make me do shit. I'm like, shut up. Yo, yo, yo, stop. Yo, yo, yo. The dude goes, it was Christmas time, so there was a tree and there was presents. He goes, it looks like it's Christmas for everybody.
Camp Gagnon
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And nobody laughed, and she goes, that shit wasn't even funny. Bro. In the heat of the battle. At least she's consistent.
Camp Gagnon
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She gives you shit, but you're like, at least everyone gets it. I mean, the robbers were getting it. So my boys are on their hands and knees in the living room. Boom. I'm like, yo, it's my crib. So he was trying to rob my boy. And he's like, I'm like, dude, it's my crib. And he's like, all right, take me to the weed then. So I'm like, all right, man, come to the basement.
Camp Gagnon
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And I'm thinking to myself, I'm going to get this guy in the basement and try to make a little move or something. You're thinking this? 1v1 this guy. Yeah, I'm thinking they're going to kill us. So I'm like, what am I going to do? So we get down into the basement. And I have like all my weed over here and I got like a bag of weed right here that's got like not that much weed.
Camp Gagnon
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And I'm like, that's all I got. He's like, I know this ain't all you got. And I'm like, that's all I got, bro. And I'm looking at his gun and I'm about to go grab it. And the next thing I know, I hear and I got blood running down my face and my whole shirt is I had a white shirt on. It's covered in blood. And I'm on a couch like this. And this dude is straddling me like he's riding my dick.
Camp Gagnon
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He's got a knee here and a knee here. And he's stepping up on me. And he's got the gun pressed on my forehead. And he's like, I know you got money. Where the fuck's the money at? So he had pistol with me. And I didn't even realize it. And whenever I come to, he's on me being like, I know you got money. I know you got money. Where's the money at? I'm like, all right. Let me take you up to the money.
Camp Gagnon
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Then it's upstairs. That's all the weed I got. He's like, all right. And so I go upstairs. And now all of my homies that were on their hands and knees, they're seeing me walk upstairs with...
Camp Gagnon
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this um i look like i'm bleeding from my head and they have silencers so they're like scared that no he shot me yeah so they're like yo yo what the fuck what the fuck and i'm like i'm good i'm good and they're like are you sure you're good and i'm like yeah i'm sure i'm good so i go to my safe and i i used to put my 20s and my 10s in one uh like case like they would just be scattered around and i put all my hundreds and in this other case and so
Camp Gagnon
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At the time? Yeah. At the time, right then and there, I probably had 25,000 liquid cash in the safe. And I gave, I looked, the guy's got a gun on the back of my head and he's talking to his partner. And I grabbed a hundreds and I slipped him in my pants like this. And I turn around with the box and I'm thinking, oh God, he's going to kill me. He's going to kill me. I turn around with the box.
Camp Gagnon
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I'm like, this is all my money. He's like, I know this ain't all your money. I'm like, I swear this is all my money, bro. He's like, man, you think I'm stupid? Right when he says that, boom, my door gets kicked back in again. And it's my homie that I text and said they got baseball bats.
Camp Gagnon
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And he looks at me and he's like, literally in the heat of all this shit, he looks at me and he goes, Ave, what the fuck, bro? They got guns. And I'm like, I look at him and I'm like, my bad, bro. I didn't know they got guns.
Camp Gagnon
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Yeah. And then he's like, all right, fuck that. And I'm like, T, just leave, bro. And he's like, all right, I'm going to steal their Hellcat. He said that out loud and he runs out the door. And they're like, yo. And then you hear the Hellcat, bro.
Camp Gagnon
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take off down the street and they did everybody that was robbing me runs out the fucking door and you hear like them shooting at the car and then you hear the car and then a door slam and then boom and so long story short i found out after the case my homie stole the car he went down like three blocks jumped out the car hopped back in his car and dipped and they chased him for like a little while
Camp Gagnon
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And they didn't end up finding him or whatever. So when they leave, they just chase him and then you're free. So I'm at the crib and I'm like, boom, I got most of my money in my pants. About like 15,000 in my pants. They probably took 10. And then I got like most of my weed downstairs. So it's all good, right? But I'm tripping and I'm like, why the fuck did I just get robbed?
Camp Gagnon
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$15,000 a year. And that's brokest, but it's not the brokest where I'm from. There's people that are growing up, not now, but at the time, there's people growing up on 10. 15,000 a year? Yeah, my dad made 15, or I think maybe on his best year, he made 25 a year. And so he was getting paid $11 an hour.
Camp Gagnon
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Like, what even happened? I don't do people bad. Like, I've never done bad business. Like, what the fuck? Um, all this shit. I was scared as fuck.
Camp Gagnon
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I thought these guys were out to like kill me for a long time I was like hiding out for like we I mean i'm still paranoid to this day and like Loud noises scared the shit out of me sometimes and um, but come to find out my fucking homie that was living there Sold these dudes fake carts without me knowing he put like batteries in it instead And so they thought they were robbing him and then I was like, yo, it's my house So they ended up robbing me and and they were never really after me even and um, I never saw them again I never heard from them or nothing
Camp Gagnon
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Yeah, I pretty much quit selling weed after that.
Camp Gagnon
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I mean, I kind of still did for a little while. Yeah, of course.
Camp Gagnon
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Oh, you mean like that night?
Camp Gagnon
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it's like i'm like uh i told my homie wheezy i was like um go somewhere safe i'm gonna go to my brother's house and me and my girl at the time we went to my brother's house and we stayed there and my brother's like a fucking hypochondriac or whatever is that like he's scared like everything freaks him out yeah he's like he called the police what and yeah he made like an ambulance come check out my head and all types of shit and like i didn't tell him what happened they were like asking me and i'm like and they were like
Camp Gagnon
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oh so it's probably got to do with drugs and if you're not gonna tell us and i was like well i'm just not gonna tell you and so boom uh and i lived with him for a few months but i was like in straight hiding i thought they're gonna find you some other way but it wasn't even like that they were just 20 year olds probably high on drugs they just wanted a little bit of weed it turned out to be like this big scene they probably didn't plan on hitting me yeah they probably didn't plan on anybody getting hurt i got a big scar on the back of my head from that shit
Camp Gagnon
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still yeah and they like the Puerto Rican barber tried to show it bro he tried he tried to lie no he could too he could just spread it over literally yeah he was like what's up with this white guitar nah yeah it was crazy bro that's wild bro yeah it was crazy as fuck is that the closest brush with death you had you think um wow I mean probably yeah shit's up there Yeah, it's definitely up there.
Camp Gagnon
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Like a few couple close incidents and like some cars and shit like that, right? Like going too fast and shit like that. But never, never anything like that. That's the only like physical altercation where I felt like, yo, this kid, I might lose my life right now. And you know what the scariest thing about that is? And my brother's been robbed too and he says the same thing.
Camp Gagnon
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The scariest thing about getting robbed
Camp Gagnon
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whenever the other person on the other end of the gun looks nervous they had masks on so i couldn't see their face but they were like and it was like yo um if this guy slips he's gonna shoot me on accident right like if this dude gets a nerve and he just clicks his fingers they're not pros like yeah pros know how to do it yeah yeah yeah where everyone's kind of fine you get the they're out yeah yeah and you're like oh they're here for the but it was like these dudes might kill us bro like it felt like i didn't know if they was gonna kill us you know
Camp Gagnon
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and it crazy story um i mean i'm a grown man now those guys like if i were to meet those guys face to face i'd shake their hands and i and i would you know we'd laugh about it game game yeah i mean game's game bro and they were kids and i was a kid and like uh you know whatever i'm sure that they're not like that anymore but um one of those kids passed away shortly after on uh just on some like on a car accident type shit fuck wait so you knew who it was
Camp Gagnon
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Mm-hmm, and five brothers.
Camp Gagnon
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I found out who it was because on some damn, what are they called? Detective shit? Yeah. We took a, there was a photo taken. I took a photo right whenever they got in there of them kicking the door. I had my phone in my hand and I just did it and I just threw my phone. And so we had a picture of this kid's shoe. And then we saw the marks on the door and they were Air Force Ones.
Camp Gagnon
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And so we were just sending my brother's shoe plug in Springfield. He owns a shoe store and shit. We're sending that picture to everybody being like, whose air forces are these? Cause they're like, no, they were like sparkly. They were like, and then somebody put us onto his Facebook profile picture. And it was this kid. I know his name. Yeah. That's crazy. RIP though.
Camp Gagnon
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five brothers four brothers and a sister and then like a dude that like is basically like my brother yeah and wow yeah we had like maybe like uh 11 people in the house probably like about at all times my mom stepmom my dad and then me and all my siblings and then like my older brothers got like we call them josh and everybody has a josh in my family and it's like a friend that's parents are like worse you know and and maybe like like josh for instance like his
Camp Gagnon
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Yeah, man, and, like, you start living like that, and the thing is, is, like, bro, you start getting around other people that are living like that, and it becomes, like, a cool thing. I was, like, getting scared when it started to become, like, I'm hanging around people who, like,
Camp Gagnon
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got guns in their pants and they're like thinking it's cool to be hanging out on the corner and smoking and like it's a cool thing and that's whenever it starts to be like oh i was like bro i don't belong here bro i'm not cool for real i just want a little bit of money you said this a few times already you said like growing up you were emotional as fuck always and everyone knew everybody in my whole life how does that manifest what does that look like
Camp Gagnon
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Yeah, man, like, I was, like, um, yeah, dude, I was just a crying-ass kid, bro. It was hard for me to stay the night with people. I couldn't stay the night with nobody until I was, like, 10 or 11, which is funny because I was running around by myself for, you know, 15 hours in a day, but I just couldn't sleep at other people's houses. Who did you miss? Um, my parents.
Camp Gagnon
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Yeah, I would, like, miss people.
Camp Gagnon
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Yeah, bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, um, you know, and I was also, like, emotional, like, um... As a kid, as a 10-year-old kid on the basketball court, you know, getting frustrated with the game and crying in the huddle, that type of shit, I would get mad and cry and be like, I just, you know, like, why can't I do it? Like, I'm just trying to, why can't I get the ball to the rim?
Camp Gagnon
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Like, just an emotional kid, bro. Everybody knew it. And my dad, you know, there was times like I was, my dad, you know, I talk about him being, like, physical with me, but, like, I was getting mad at my dad and running up to him with my chest out. Yeah.
Camp Gagnon
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what's up like you know but fuck you like i don't even fucking love you like fuck you i remember my brother killed himself i'll never forget this bro my brother killed himself and it was like a week later and my dad was like on some drunk bullshit and i looked him straight in his face and i was like you're the reason that shaylin killed himself and that's like the worst thing i've ever said in my life and it's like i'm a kid and and then but my dad it was like two days later i like went to my dad and i was bawling my eyes out and i was telling him i'm so sorry and i didn't mean it and it's not true and he was just like i know you didn't mean it you're just like me
Camp Gagnon
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He's like, we get upset and we say shit and we don't mean it. And he's like, I didn't take it to heart.
Camp Gagnon
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Yeah, you know, my brother was.
Camp Gagnon
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Yeah, who do I blame for this? And also, like, my brother, like, the fact of the matter is, man, is that, like, he was treated different than all of us. He was like, that's the brother that, my brother that killed himself is the brother that my mom had out of wedlock. So as soon as it's time to get in trouble, guess who's getting it? Shaylin's getting his ass beat in front of everybody.
Camp Gagnon
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As soon as there's anybody that I would steal cigarettes from my parents and they would blame it on him. Like, like there was, we would, man, like he, he, he was, he was mistreated in my crib. Like for real.
Camp Gagnon
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and then you got like youngest child treatment like they like they like took care of you a little more a little bit and then you saw what he was getting you're like oh this is up yeah a little bit kind of my sister really got the best like treatment from the parents she she got it the best my my dad i was so young though that my brothers had already like like my brother was i was 15 when he killed himself so i'm a freshman in high school so that's four more years i live with my dad where like it wasn't even like i i never basically had a father in high school right like
Camp Gagnon
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I had a dad and he would come to some of my games and shit like that, but really he was just this drunk dude that was struggling with the fact that his other kid killed himself. And the way it happened was just, you know, like crazy and shit. So he was like struggling with that. So I never really like had that. I think whenever I got older though, I got like the youngest kid treatment.
Camp Gagnon
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That's whenever my dad would, you know, he would come to my house and we'd watch the game. You know, we was like homies and he would, you know, we talked about more shit and like I felt like way more connected and shit. But growing up, The boys kind of all got it the same. My sister's really the one that kind of got the good treatment, which is cool, though.
Camp Gagnon
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his parents are passed away and so he would like be at the crib all the time my parents were like his parents same with my bro breezy he like grew up like my brother and his dad like was whooping his ass in high school so we like came and picked him up and like he lived with me and shit so there was like 11 of us 12 of us in one like three bedroom house and so everyone's bunking up four bedroom yeah oh yeah we're deep
Camp Gagnon
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Yeah, bro. So, I mean, like, they weren't around, bro. Like, I was the only one living in the house at the time. One of my brothers was in Ohio with his dad. My other brother was older, and they were living, like, in California at the time.
Camp Gagnon
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and um so me and shaylin were spending a lot of time together and um they don't really it's it's all different bro like i found shaylin and shaylin was he called me right before he died i was the last person he talked to and so um it was different as fuck like like nobody else had to experience that so i don't even know what it's like for them i i have no idea like
Camp Gagnon
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him dying for me was so traumatic and and so many things happened like i you know i was worried that it was gonna happen we had talked about it before i was hanging out with him the night before like he called me right before he did it and was like come home i want to talk to you like he probably expected me to come save his life you know but i was 15 and i couldn't help him out like when i seen him like choking i couldn't like
Camp Gagnon
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pick him up he was too heavy and shit so it affected me way different than everybody else um i wonder that to this day i asked my sister like like what is it like because i don't know their brother died and he killed himself but like they didn't have to they didn't like it was just different bro like they they weren't necessarily around and shit their brother just kind of you know you know killed himself so they just kind of got that like oh yeah like we got to be more aware of people's mental health like type situation it was never like but you you were in it
Camp Gagnon
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Yeah, and my dad was too. So like when I found my brother, I screamed for my dad and he was the second person to see and like he's the one that cut him down off the rope. So he was like, that affected him too. I got to see how that affected him and I see myself in that a lot. Like, you know, there's like...
Camp Gagnon
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there's like some shit you can't escape when you see some shit like that like it fucks you up right like psychologically so like it's honestly kind of a thing that me and my siblings don't talk about that much you know I don't even know they might talk amongst themselves about it but they don't bring it up around me that much probably just because it's so it's just such a sore crazy subject but and then if they want to fucking hear about it they just turn on YouTube and look it up
Camp Gagnon
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Well, I mean, I tried to talk about it with him, but he would, like, he was, if I'm emotional, man, he was times 10. Like, he would just tell me, like, he would start crying and be like, shut up, I can't, I can't. We never talked about it.
Camp Gagnon
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He would say, stop talking about this. I don't want to cry. You're going to make me cry. I'm crying. Stop. I get it. It was bad. He'd be like, yeah, it sucked. It sucked. And I'm like, let's not talk about it.
Camp Gagnon
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Yeah, I'll never forget this, bro. So I called my mom. So boom. Okay, so long story short. The night before, my brother, my mom is with her boyfriend, and they're in this big fight, and my brother, like, comes and gets me, and he's like, let's go beat Nick's ass. That's my mom's boyfriend's name. I'm like, all right, bet. We go out there.
Camp Gagnon
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My brother beats the shit out of this guy, and then he, like, pees all over his, like, clothes. It was funny. It was all this shit. We go home, and I realize, I'm like, something's off. Like, they're high. Like, they're on something, like, something. So I could just tell. And so my mom was like...
Camp Gagnon
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going through this relationship shit where she was like kind of um she felt like she was enabling my my brother to to be a hoodlum right at the time like now my mom's an amazing person now she's a great grandma she's like sober all that shit she's great so we talk about it now but back then you know she was just kind of in the in the middle of it i remember bro calling my mom
Camp Gagnon
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So, boom, my brother calls me. He's like, come home and do your chores. And I'm like, Shaylin, bro, fuck you. Like, it's Saturday or whatever day it is. Like, I'm not coming, bro. Like, I was just out hanging out with my homies. Like, stop. He's like, bro, come on, please. And I'm like, oh, something's wrong. I hang up the phone. I call my dad. I'm like, what's up with Shaylin?
Camp Gagnon
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He's like, he's pissed off. Like, don't even fuck with him. And I'm like, no, you fucking idiot. Like...
Camp Gagnon
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Oh, yeah. And there's no AC. And you remember the ice storm? Oh, wait, you're not from Missouri.
Camp Gagnon
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what the fuck like he's like suicidal right now like he's been talking about it all week so boom I come home I'm like go ask my dad where's he at he's like he walked out back I run out back I'm like running out back there's like a garage I see him he's like choking and he's like got a he's like had hung himself
Camp Gagnon
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and the chair is like falling down and shit like that and he's like choking but he's not like totally dead yet he's like his eyes are glossy and shit like that and he's like pretty much dead but he's got his hands like he was trying to save himself like he regretted it and so i'm like i grab him by the feet and i'm like 15 and he probably weighs like 180 and i'm like i'm like weak 15 year old i'm like trying to pick him up i can't pick him up i'm screaming for my dad my dad comes out there i'll never forget it he like grabs my the rope and he punches it and it snaps and
Camp Gagnon
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Can you imagine that? Boom, my brother hits the ground. I run inside. I grabbed a phone. It was a cord phone. We had a cord phone at the time. My stepmom was in a full-body brace because she had her ribs taken out. And, um, so boom, I'm like trying to beat around the bush. I'm like my brother, uh, cause I don't want her to get all freaked out.
Camp Gagnon
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And I'm like, I can't leave the room cause it's a cord phone. And I'm like, my brother tried to hang himself. Boom. Fucking she gets up. She's runs out there. It's like all hell is starting to break loose. I run out to the front. I'm screaming and I'm like, my friends are there. And I'm like telling him like Shaylin fucking just killed himself.
Camp Gagnon
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And I run out to the front and my homie lives across the street and I see his dad. He's the first responder. His dad comes running out in his boxers, bro.
Camp Gagnon
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fucking dick flying around like this grown-ass man he got defibrillators his shit flopping i will never forget that shit i seen it from a block away i'm like damn all right so he come his wife's pretty too her name kim i'm like damn all right okay we get that mystery solved right so uh but he's got defibrillators bro
Camp Gagnon
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And he's running across the street, and he's shaking them up while he's running across the street. And I'll never forget. He, like, runs down. Boom. Hits Shaylin's chest. He doesn't come alive. I go down there. I'm, like, grabbing Shaylin by the head. And I'm, like, fucking, you know, begging him to come alive. And he's, like, boom, pumping his chest. And he won't come alive.
Camp Gagnon
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And then so I go into the front. And the first person I call is my sister. And I'm, like, hey, this just happened. She's, like, oh, my God, call mom. And she had to, like, pull over and all this shit. And I call my mom. And, dude, I'll never forget this. Your question was, how did my mom handle it? My mom gets to the crib. My mom and dad hated each other. I've never seen them hug.
Camp Gagnon
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I've never even seen them high five. I've never seen them look at each other for more than two seconds. I've never seen that. And they fucking hated each other. And my mom ran straight to my dad and gave him a hug. And she went to the front yard and she started punching him. Hands like this and she was being like why why why bro?
Camp Gagnon
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She wouldn't stop the flesh and her knuckles started flying in the air She had blood on her face from punching her fingers like this and the flesh just going everywhere I remember seeing that my mom's like bones and her fingers like moving like this like it was crazy That's how she dealt with it And then she went and she slipped into it and both of my parents after that for like five Six years were like really bad drug addicts after that after that.
Camp Gagnon
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I pretty much didn't have parents like I My stepmom tried her hardest and she was like doing her thing, but she was working and my dad like quit working completely and like, you know, turned into this dude that like got his money from the government and shit. And yeah, and my mom kind of took care of us from then on and boom.
Camp Gagnon
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And then my real mom got sober about like shit, maybe like six years later. She's been sober for like five years or something. Wow. Yeah. And did that event help her get sober in any way? Had to, right? I don't know. I've never asked her that, but, like, had to, right?
Camp Gagnon
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Because, like, that was, like, I think it pulled her out of a crazy, crazy, shitty situation and, like, low-key put my dad into one and, like, traded their spots, kind of, you know? But, yeah, crazy story, huh?
Camp Gagnon
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Yeah, and then after that, my brother got up and he was like, I'm joking.
Camp Gagnon
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Nah, bro. I was, I started, like, writing poems and shit a lot then. And I was, like, I still played football and all that shit. Like, I was on the team. Like, I was in organized sports. Thank God for that because I think that took my mind off it a lot. But, bro, no, I have a memory of that year, my freshman year. There's this teacher. Her name's Miss ***. To be fucking exact.
Camp Gagnon
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All right, maybe don't put her name in there. But I was sending her poems, bro. Like, I went back and read them as a 20-year-old. Like, they were being like... I was basically in these poems being like, hey, my dad's beating the fuck out of me at home. Everybody's drunk and doing drugs. And my brother killed himself and I watched him die. And I need help.
Camp Gagnon
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And she would be like, cool poem last night, Ave. She would be like... Hey, I didn't get to read that one. I'll catch the next one. And I'll send them to her nightly begging for help, bro. Like basically doing everything except saying, will you please help me? And they never gave a fuck, bro. Nobody ever gave a fuck for real.
Camp Gagnon
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I think that like there were some teachers in my school that were like guilty of bullying my brother. And they like apologized to me and shit. And that kind of made school even worse because then I'm coming to school every day and I'm thinking like, oh, you bullied my brother. And like you feel so guilty that you want to apologize to me.
Camp Gagnon
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Yeah, exactly. And so I was like that. I was like, fuck you. I skipped school bro I never really went that was my freshman year I turned into this kid that I only like the cop come to the school my sophomore year and was like I had a warrant for my arrest just for like traffic violations because I didn't pay and he was like hey man if you play football then we want to arrest you. What?
Camp Gagnon
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And so I basically was this kid that got away with never going to class and never doing any of the shit that I had to do because I played sports and I was the quarterback and I was the leader of the team and shit like that. So they were just giving me... Bro, I missed 80% of my classes in my senior year.
Camp Gagnon
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And I graduated. I have a high school diploma. And I had, like, D's and shit. Like, I never went to school. I never turned in my work. It was just football and basketball and shit. They just let me be. And they just let me kind of do my thing. And I think also nobody ever talked to me about it, but everybody kind of knew, like, hey, this is what's going on today. So I was, like, be easy on them.
Camp Gagnon
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I would go to the library and sleep for fucking four hours every day. You know, I would, like, I would get lunch and go eat it, like, somewhere else.
Camp Gagnon
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Not really. Not, like, I was nice, like, at my school. Like, I got, like, the...
Camp Gagnon
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touchdown record and shit but like I was that was class one like I would have been sitting on the bench anywhere for real whoa yeah yeah that is crazy yeah so were you into music at that point yeah yeah I released my first song when I was like six fifteen yeah kind of in the wake of that experience and that was like kind of something that like parents like hated on me for and they like didn't want their kids to hang out with me because I was making rap music and so at that point you're probably you're into Mac Miller then
Camp Gagnon
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Yeah, bro. I loved Eminem back then. I loved Pink Floyd back then. I loved Kurt Cobain to this day, even still. These are people that I don't want to say idolized, but I looked up to. Mac Miller was definitely one. That was the one. I'm smoking cigarettes in the bathroom. I'm locking the door, man. I'm fucking turning on... I'm making a steamy in there. I'm turning on missed calls.
Camp Gagnon
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My Mac Miller, baby, I got missed calls and emails. What? I'm like, what, 15?
Camp Gagnon
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I've never ever... It's always just been my own... I've never felt like that. No, I was kind of like a lyrical rapper. I was kind of like trying to tell like a story. I remember I had a song where I was like 15 and I was like... I was like, fucking, it's dark, walking with the headphones on, you got a problem, like type shit like that, like trying to paint some picture.
Camp Gagnon
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I never really took after anybody specifically. I think everybody was just kind of my muse for music. I was just making music with everybody's influence at the time. But I was making rap music because I wanted people to think I was cool.
Camp Gagnon
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I don't think so. I think, I don't, I'm pretty sure it didn't work.
Camp Gagnon
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I had a buddy that lived with me that is the one that got me into it, and he's from Jacksonville, Florida, or he, like, moved to Missouri and then moved back and then came to Duval.
Camp Gagnon
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In 2007, I think it was, there was an ice storm and the power was out for like two weeks. Like there was like, nobody had power. Everybody was like gone. Like nobody had shit. And we was like 15 deep in the living room of my house with sheets like all over the walls and shit like that. Just like using each other's body heat and shit for like warmth, you know?
Camp Gagnon
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And that was, like, a best friend of mine, and he's the reason that I started. But, no, there was nobody. There was not a single person in my school that made music, not even one person. I think the only other people that made music were my older brothers eight years before me. There was nobody.
Camp Gagnon
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Really? They did not fuck with me. Yeah, that's funny now because I don't hold grudges for that shit. It's cool. I think you work towards that. They did not fuck with me. They did not take me seriously. They did not fuck with me. My only brother that supported me was the one that's close to my age. I did not get my family's support until...
Camp Gagnon
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Overdose dropped like no my dad was even being like yo, it's time to like you're 24 It's time to like stop doing music and start like trying to get a real job my brothers anytime I'll talk about it.
Camp Gagnon
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They wouldn't even want to not they didn't fuck with me, bro I remember my oldest brother made me cry one time He was like you don't know the fucking difference between a hook and a verse and I'm like what the fuck like I've been I'm like 18 and I'm like I've been doing this for three years. Yeah, I do like what are you talking about? But he was like disrespectful.
Camp Gagnon
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So yeah, they didn't they never fuck with me and that's the complete truth and they can suck my dick to this day
Camp Gagnon
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Yeah, he's the shit. His name's Jamie. The company's called Jamie's Shoes. It's insane. He hooks you up? Man, I wish he did hook me up, man. Give me a discount, James. I pay full price. So you hook him up. But I'm stacked, though. I got a badass shoe collection.
Camp Gagnon
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So by the time you get to Springfield, how old are you? I think I'm 19. I might be 20 years old the first time I moved to Springfield.
Camp Gagnon
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Yeah, and I'm the only kid that never went home. Every other kid went home. I'm the only one that never went back home. Since 18 years old, I've been out and by myself. And the plan was music. The plan was motherfucking music, man. I was so wrapped up in selling weed, though, I thought I was going to be Escobar.
Camp Gagnon
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Like, I literally was thinking, like, I was going to be this dude that had, like, millions of dollars at 40 years old from selling weed. Like, I'm not joking. I really did think that. There was, like, I was taking, like, I took a flight whenever I was, like, 22. from Missouri to LA to like check out like a weed warehouse. And these kids had like yachts and Lamborghinis and shit.
Camp Gagnon
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Like I was thinking like.
Camp Gagnon
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Yeah, I was thinking this is what I'm about to do.
Camp Gagnon
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Right, but I was doing it every day still, you know. Of course, because you love it. Because I love it, yeah. But it was kind of like. Did you have a plan three? Nah, terrible at having jobs, bro. I always knew that I was going to be a writer, though. Like, I've always loved writing.
Camp Gagnon
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i was i was edging being a loser bro i was 24 25 and and nothing was working and i was releasing music that nobody was listening to and i was making tiktoks and shit like that and like it just really wasn't working until i started getting paid on tiktok and then it was like okay and i put weed down and i'm like oh i can make internet money and i started making internet money and it was like oh you know i went straight from weed money to internet money which is like the same thing basically internet money is stupid you know and so i just kind of made that transition and then
Camp Gagnon
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And you're dropping a song a day. A song a week. A song a week, sorry. Every Friday, yeah, yeah, a song a week. So I dropped like 250 songs in a row. Like the Russ model, in a way. Yeah, I guess, yeah, basically. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, you know, I never really, like, I just, I always just did it, man. I don't know, man, there was just something in me that did it.
Camp Gagnon
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It was never really, like, I never thought, oh, I'm going to keep going and keep going until, like, it just did, it just kind of happened like that.
Camp Gagnon
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yo we're fucking we we got something like we got the first one so how many songs in is that i mean they're uh like recorded or posted posted 300 to 250 300 yeah but like i had songs that had like 50k and 100k and i was like feeling like yo, like, take me serious. Like, I was feeling like that. Take me serious. But it was nothing for real.
Camp Gagnon
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You know, it wasn't until, like, it wasn't until Overdose connected with people. And the thing is, is I changed my style five songs before Overdose. I started, like, making music for myself, and I started, like, I quit rapping and quit making music trying to be cool, and I started making music, like, that I wanted to hear. Literally probably five, maybe ten songs before Overdose.
Camp Gagnon
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Yeah, yeah. Oh, dude, yeah.
Camp Gagnon
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And then I really fell into my lane, and it was, like, Then I was in the studio every day for 12 hours a day, and I was spending all my money. I ended up, bro, imagine I'm not selling weed anymore, but I'm still making probably $3,500 a week, which is where I'm from. That's a hell of money, but I'm spending it all in the studio.
Camp Gagnon
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we would just in times like i had we was in a two-bedroom house and um there was like a mad windows upstairs and um they were all like busted out you know because like maybe we'd be rowdy or like we moved in and they were already shitty but like that we'd be getting rowdy and my parents like could never fix them so we'd have like plastic on the on the windows and shit like that but like in the winter like if it snowed
Camp Gagnon
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I'm spending $1,000 three days in a row in the studio doing 10 hours a day, and I'm leaving out of my truck, and I'm sleeping with my girlfriend at her house, and I'm eating food from her work because I'm spending...
Camp Gagnon
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every bit of my money in the studio so my friends would be like what the fuck like you're making money bro like we're not making near as much money like where the fuck's your money at what the fuck dude and i would be like i'm in the studio like reinvesting i've been in the studio but but i but it felt like a waste i never felt like i was investing in myself it everybody always made me feel like it was a waste and i always felt like i was addicted to the studio it made it feel like a bad vibe for me like it almost was like you know like as if i was going and like drinking or something like i would go to the studio because it would be like my getaway spot and like
Camp Gagnon
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i felt cool in the studio and so i was like low-key addicted to going i would have 200 bucks and my light would be due tomorrow and it's 175 or the studio i can go for two hours for 200 and i'll go for two hours for 200 every fucking time and so it didn't feel like i was reinvesting it kind of felt like i was being stupid but you know it fucking worked i think that's just like working out i think that's an important lesson though like you put out you said 300 songs almost probably damn near before anyone really gave a fuck yeah yeah yeah and honestly bro
Camp Gagnon
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, like, I don't know, man. Really gave a fuck is a term. Like, I don't even think that... I don't think Overdose made people really give a fuck. I think Overdose was, like, the song that made me connect with people and stuff, but I think it was, like, the song in 2 and 3 after that that made people really... And, like, the video.
Camp Gagnon
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And I think people give a fuck now because, like... I go to my shows, bro, and there's 500 people in front of me or there's 1,000 people in front of me and they all look just like me. You know what I mean, bro? They all look just like me, bro. It's like you couldn't tell the difference who's performing tonight, you know? And we all got the same trauma.
Camp Gagnon
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And we all, like, we're just, we're these people that, like... You know, I've always said this since I was a kid. If you grow up super, super dirt poor, you get, you know, and you get an attention, a certain type of attention from the government, government assisting. You get a certain type of attention from, you know, teachers and shit like that.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
They know, okay, this guy's like, you know, you might get, whether it be good or bad, you get a certain type of attention. And then when you're rich as fuck, you get a certain type of attention of like, okay, this kid gets treated like this at school. And, you know, and the government treats them like this as far as like tax breaks and shit like that.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
But when you're right in the middle, you don't really get, you just kind of go under the radar. It's like we're ghosts. Like people like me have always just been like ghosts. Like I grew up kind of shitty, but not as shitty as some of my friends. I grew up. You know, I had like a fucking American Apostle shirt on still, right? Like, you know, I was getting cool hand-me-downs and shit like that.
Camp Gagnon
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But it was always like I was ghost mode. It was like I didn't matter to motherfuckers, you know? There was people in my school that had it worse for me, and they would get better treatment. And there was people that had it better for me, and they would get better treatment. And I always just got, you know, middle class treatment.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
And when I go to a show, I'm like, oh, this is a thousand people that are just like me. And so it feels like if that's what feels like people are starting to care, you know what I mean? It doesn't feel like a song ever did it. I really, I really believe that like it's more than just like a song. It's like people started to care whenever they like started to hear the story.
Camp Gagnon
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Or they started to relate to me. You know, they flip me on the TV and they're like, oh, shit. Like, I was just hanging with a guy just like that yesterday. Or, oh, shit. You know, there's things that have happened to me in my life where it's like, my close circle, man, they know. And so I'm like an open book on the internet.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
I might get on here and tell y'all how my fucking brother killed himself, right? Like, I'm an open book. And there's people that see that and they're like, oh, like, you know, they see themselves in that. Or maybe they want to be more open or whatever. And I think that's really where the connection, like, started.
Camp Gagnon
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One of the reasons why I left my long-term girlfriend is because she made me feel like, and this wasn't her fault, this was like an internal battle that I was struggling with, but I thought that she made me feel like she wanted me to be a gangster.
Camp Gagnon
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And we didn't, like, take precaution. There would be snow inside.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
and so it was like i had to hang out with with dudes that were you know gangbanging like i had to make rap music i had to do these things i had to talk in a certain way because that's what i thought she wanted that's not what she wanted from me i'm sure we were just kids but that's what i thought she wanted from me so at that time like i was i was more closed off and i was i i was struggling with like pride shit you know of course i was like yeah that ego is like yo you're hard you're tough no one can fuck with you yeah yeah yeah all that cool my boys were
Camp Gagnon
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like we're like really about that i was never really about that but they really were so it was like it made me just feel cooler and different and also my best friend bought me a fucking badass 370z like a badass 2017 370z because he was loaded from sound of weed and so like i'm driving like a fucking badass car make a rap music so you have everything you should be not so you should be good yeah yeah yeah but you weren't being real
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
Throw a couple beers in there.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
But I wasn't being real. You know, it's funny. I remember I met Waka Flocka. I did a rap show. I opened for him. I pushed my way to the back. I basically made him give me a conversation. And he was like... And he was like, I was complaining. I was like, man, I didn't have a great set tonight. And he's like, you sound like a bitch. Imagine Waka Flocka telling you you sound like a bitch.
Camp Gagnon
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I'm like, oh, really, Waka? Actually, you're right, I do. I'm like, oh, really, Waki? And he's like, yeah, man. He's like, look at you, bro. You sound like a bitch. He's like, you got all these things that you want. And he's like, it's going good for you. And he's like, you don't see the bigger picture. He said, you're never going to go anywhere with that girlfriend that you have.
Camp Gagnon
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He said, you got to leave your girlfriend if you want to be anything. How did he know? Just from the conversation that we had, you know, about, like, just certain things. And I never brought her up, but he could see that I was trying to be cool to impress the people that I was around. And he basically was like, cut that shit out. If you ever want to make it, you got to cut that shit out.
Camp Gagnon
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But, you know, but, like, looking back, it seems like... Like, I never realized that it was like that, you know? I never realized that, like, oh, this is not, like, normal and shit. Like, everybody where I'm from in the wintertime or the summertime has their windows, you know, plasticed up because the house is old as fuck and, like, you know, it lets the cold in or the heat out or, like, whatever.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
Yeah, he's huge, too. You met him?
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
He's, like, 6'7". Yeah, yeah. I'd give him buckets, though.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
Yeah, yeah. Man, 40. Fuck out of here.
Camp Gagnon
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I think I might have a basketball clip on there. This is crazy. I'm from such a small school, bro, that this is not a big thing. We were brand new on huddle. Like, we tried to make it a thing. Yeah, no, A-V-R-U-I. Huddle. Yeah, where we at?
Camp Gagnon
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That's recent. The game that I'm talking about is I'm a freshman, and we're playing this tournament, and dude, I was on fire. 11 threes, boom. my teammates were just screaming, shoot it, shoot it. It was just going in. Just going in. I'll never forget that. Yeah. But I quit my senior year because I was a quitter, low-key.
Camp Gagnon
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So, like, you know, that's the thing, too, is that I would get, like, mad and leave. That's, like, kind of one of the things.
Camp Gagnon
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Yeah. But one time, bro, my last basketball game ever I had to sit the first quarter because I was in trouble, and then the second quarter I scored 25, and I was not passing the rock.
Camp Gagnon
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And then at halftime, I go down to the fucking locker room, and this kid's mouthing off, and we get in a little scruffle, and I ended up putting him in a chokehold and shit, and the coach rips me off, and the coach is like, you're not going to fucking play another second tonight. And I left and never came back. And what year was that, Holden? That was 2016. I was a senior. Wow.
Camp Gagnon
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And then one time, bro, there's this photo of me in my only dunk ever. It was like a crazy little white boy dunk. Like barely get the ball over the rim.
Camp Gagnon
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And it was, I got a steal. We were up like 20 and I got a steal at half court right before the game or right before halftime. And I go up and I white boy dunk it. And my coach screams at me and grabs me by my wrist in front of everybody. And he's like, we don't fucking play like that. And shit like that. And takes me downstairs and scream.
Camp Gagnon
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I'm telling you, man. Yeah. And I actually told him AI was my favorite basketball player in high school. And he goes, AI wasn't a basketball player. I bet his favorite was fucking John Stockton or some white dude. Is John Stockton white?
Camp Gagnon
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He's like, man, you got to be more like Larry. Steve Kerr was just such a, you know, he's a playmaker. No, that guy. He probably didn't even like him. Too much spice.
Camp Gagnon
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We don't have a team, but I just like players, though. I've never been in the NBA. I'm a Packers fan, like diehard.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
But I like players in the NBA. I met Michael Beasley the other night. Oh, wow.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
Yeah. Super cool Beas. That dude.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
You know, so I didn't really realize that it's, like, that was, like, sketchy.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
I looked him up afterwards. I'm like, damn, they say not to look up your homies, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm kind of getting used to that. I'm going to look you up after this.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
Really? All the way through. Oh, that's like real ass, like cardio shit.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
That's like, we didn't even have soccer. Really? Just baseball, football, and basketball. I bet you, uh, we only had baseball like a couple of years in high school.
Camp Gagnon
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as fuck and i there would be times where like other parents wouldn't let their their kids hang out with us and i never got it as a kid i never got it i'm like why the fuck oh this parent like they're being weird whatever yeah i just think like what the fuck they didn't want their kid to be frozen yeah literally or or they wanted to make sure the kid was gonna eat three times like that day you know it's like so after your parents split did you hang with your mom much
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
Bro, we used to drive by the soccer field and hit them with paintball guns.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
In five years, though, it was class five.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
Ten years, you was MVP. Yeah, I was the only one on the team.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
I'm about to start making up stories about my shit right now. Yeah, you should, bro. I'm about to get that age. Lying is fire, bro. Lying is fire, dude.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
That shit is sick as hell. That's crazy.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
How do you say it? Say it like white again.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
What the fuck are we talking about, man?
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
Who's that? What's his name? Who controls fish? Aquaman.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
Oh, my God, man. I love you, bro.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
This ain't high school, is it?
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
This is what high schoolers look like?
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
And he's right here. That's crazy. You're the face of the team, huh? I mean. With a million-dollar smile. Come on, man. That boy's like, king. That's crazy, bro. No way with the comedy shit. Hang on. Can we see a bit?
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
I could tell you're not that funny.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
You go, sorry to all the firemen out there, by the way. You go with a hose to put a fire out.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
You might have a chance. Put the fireman on the stage with a mic and he's not making nobody laugh.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
Yeah, bro. So like I'm the only kid. So RIP to my older brother. He, me and him, like made the conscious decision like to stay with my mom. So we would do like a week with my mom, a week with my dad, a week with my mom, a week with my dad. And then whenever I was 15, like there was like lawyers and shit that came to my house and they like made me make a decision.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
It's going to be tough.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
But for real, I've always thought like, naturally when I'm on stage, Like, I just like to tell jokes. That's the thing. You kind of do stand-up. Like, yeah, but it's just more of, like, there's no pressure on it. I'm not supposed to be funny. Like, if you don't think my joke's funny, then, like, that's funny. Right, comedians will do that.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
Yeah, I did shows. I was like a ticket peddler for like five years. You know what that means? Like I was the dude, like the ticket peddlers on small shows are like the openers that are local that have to sell all the physical tickets to get the people to come.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
So I was really just trapping tickets, selling tickets for like, I opened for like, you know, fucking like every rapper that came to Springfield and I was just peddling tickets. So I would do that and I would play like sold out shows because it would be like, The MGK show, and it's only 1,500 rooms, so they're sold out.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
Or it would be WACA. And I tell you money one time. Shout out to her. A lot of people that I opened for, Afro Man, fucking Soldier Boy, goddamn DaBaby, fucking... Did you get to kick it with any of them? Hell no. I made myself get in those rooms sometimes, but no, they would never let you in a room. You're not allowed anywhere near them. Wow. Fuck no. And we were a ticket peddler.
Camp Gagnon
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So I did that for a long time, but... This is my first tour ever. This is the first time I've ever left my hometown and went and did shows and they're selling out. They're all pretty much almost all sold out except for like a couple of dates.
Camp Gagnon
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That shit is crazy. It's crazy as fuck, dude. It's insane as fuck, bro. I don't even know how to describe it. I wonder how fucking people like Taylor Swift feel. Like, how do you feel, man? Because I'm like, this is only a thousand people in front of me and this is like the craziest thing of all time. Yeah.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
I'm like singing a song about like my dad drinking himself to death or some like super personal shit. And there's like people crying in the crowd, like singing it. And I'm like, wait, like what the, it's the craziest thing, bro. I don't know if I'll ever get used to it. I don't even get it.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
It's so different, bro. And it's nothing like the internet in person. It's nothing like the internet. It's like, it's just, I don't know, bro. Yeah, it's the internet also like makes it feel like almost, I always thought like there would be like this pressure on, But like i'm so lucky that I can just be myself that like in person.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
There's no pressure It's like i'm nervous as fuck i'm puking before every show but there's no pressure to be anybody but myself because it's like You you bought a ticket to come watch me be me And i'm just gonna be me and it's like I don't know how to fucking be anybody else So I don't like feel this pressure But you know you get up there and you and you see these it's like I also never really idolized a person There was never a person that I like
Camp Gagnon
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Like, who are you going to live with full time? Are you going to live with your dad or your mom? That was, like, a tough decision. I almost lived with my mom, but she was still, like, you know, a drug addict back then. And it was, like, terrible conditions. But I love my mom, right? Like, so me, like, I would want to be in there helping her and shit. But I decided to live with my dad.
Camp Gagnon
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idolized you know or like I never even really thought about famous people like that because it was always so far out of reach like you don't you don't get famous in Pierce City Missouri you don't play college sports you don't get famous you don't you know work in the music industry you don't there's things that you don't do you don't go get office jobs you're not an accountant there's no accountants there's no like there's you fucking work at a farm you're a teacher you're a nurse or you work at the gas station or grocery store like no one made it out I don't know anybody Miles could you pull that up actually the Pierce City Missouri wiki
Camp Gagnon
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Yeah, Pier City, Missouri, man.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
There's a band from, like, back in the day that did, like, a few shows with Florida Georgia Line, a country band, but nothing even, like, that must have been the craziest shit. Look up, like, Pier City, like, how could you find, like, people that have done cool shit there? 2003 Tornado was crazy. That shit fucked my house up. Really? Oh, I'm glad it did.
Camp Gagnon
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It's terrible. It's not like that anymore, but yeah. In the back of the day. When I was growing up, there was a sign there that said shit like that. They ended up taking it down. In the city?
Camp Gagnon
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Pierce City, Missouri. What is it?
Camp Gagnon
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Oh, this is from like back in the day. Whoa, this is actually bad fucking ass.
Camp Gagnon
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Wait, Theron? Who are these people? This is a writer for the Monat Times? That don't fucking count. An American with that.
Camp Gagnon
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Oh, she's 100? Well, then fuck that, too. Jack Goodman is currently the chief judge.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
I guess it kind of does.
Camp Gagnon
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why are they hating on you bro 100% racism right there we need yeah why the fuck I wasn't on that right well I haven't made it out yet nah come on I haven't made it out yet dude I mean like bro like what's success to you
Camp Gagnon
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Just them, not your brother and sister and family.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
And, like, low-key, thank God I did. Because, like, you know, I'm, like, I was one bad decision away from being a fucking... In jail, you know, like my homies went to jail. My best friend, my childhood best friend was in jail from 17 to 24. Wow. Yeah. So like I was one decision away from that. I feel like if I had lived with my mom, it would have been different.
Camp Gagnon
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Right, but just some leisure shit.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
Yeah, that's fucking dope.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
But honestly, bro, my family's like, they're cool too. They're great. It's not like my sister wouldn't be homeless. She would have figured it out.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
So just taking care of your wife.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
Actually, the thing is, like, I don't spend money anywhere except a fucking bar, casino, and, like, every once in a while on some type of fast vehicle.
Camp Gagnon
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I have a classic Road King. Hell yeah. It's like a 2010. It's fucking badass. It's like the real deal. Big 900-pound bike. Big backseat.
Camp Gagnon
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I just got this. I just bought two. These are my first two Harleys ever. Oh, really?
Camp Gagnon
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I've always owned motorcycles, but I've never owned a Harley. And then I was in Miami the other day, and I'm like, fuck, man. I'm not going to lie. I won $25,000 at the casino, and I was like,
Camp Gagnon
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Of course. Come on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why don't you get a license? Man, you know what, man? Can I get my lawyer on the phone?
Camp Gagnon
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There's, like, some shit going on that I got to, like, figure out. But I was in Miami, and I bought a Harley because I was like, I need a car here. So I just got that, like, three days ago.
Camp Gagnon
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That is a street glide, and it's a police edition, and it's all black, and it's got a badass sissy bar and, like, 15-inch apes.
Camp Gagnon
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chopped up lowered sick like a little mini apes you know yeah yeah what are those called those are like 12 inches or something yeah yeah something like that because i it's like i don't want to be too uncomfortable not too high bro my brother rides a chopper yeah he's all the way up here i like to be about right here yeah comfy that's even a little high yeah this is cool that's nice because that's actually really comfy right i mean this is like what are you doing i'm dude unfortunately one of my bikes is like that well what which one the uh street glider
Camp Gagnon
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oh okay yeah it's like kind of you might mess with it though it's all good right yeah i mean you might you might fuck it up you know maybe add something i mean you just got it yeah i mean i just got it i just got it honestly bro i'm terrible man like i think it goes back to my childhood like like i never had shit so like i might fuck around like i got i bought a sir on an electric dirt bike in miami and it was my shit and it was like my personality for 24 hours and i never rode it again no it sits outside
Camp Gagnon
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And I keep forgetting the keys every time I come to Miami because I just grew up without shit. And it's like, I'll have shit and I'll be like high on it for a little bit. And then I'll just, I got a scat pack that sits in my backyard that I don't drive at all. Not because I have a driver's license, but it just sits in my backyard. It's like my dream car.
Camp Gagnon
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I wanted it ever since I was a kid, right when I signed a record deal. It's my first purchase. I bought my dream car. It's got stars on the roof. I haven't drove it in like four months. Wow. So you're living in Miami now? No, I live in Missouri, but I stay in Miami a lot. I'm about to move to Miami, though, bro. Why Miami?
Camp Gagnon
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That's just where all my people are at, and there's a cool studio that my people fuck with. It's just cool down there. Honestly, bro, I'm trying to figure out if it's right for me still because... It's very different than... And I'm a degenerate. And I like to drink alcohol and throw money at slot machines. Yeah. And there's, like, a lot of that there.
Camp Gagnon
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I hate playing table games because where I'm from, the casino where I'm from, it's like, well, first of all, you go out there and, no, you just... It's just, like, personal as fuck. If I would have grown up going to the Hard Rock in Miami, then it's like, yeah, you like playing this game and it's, like, about strangers or whatever. But, like, where I'm from, it's like... It's just personal.
Camp Gagnon
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There's a casino not far from us, and it's like you know everybody in there.
Camp Gagnon
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You go there three, four, five times, you get to know everybody in there. It's personal. I just never fucked with sitting down. Because you're making money. I don't like people fucking with me. But you're taking... And we also used to go to the casino to clean our weed money. So you can go to the casino with $10,000 and 20s and go straight up to the cashier and be like...
Camp Gagnon
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I need these in all hundreds. And then they give you all the hundreds and they give you a receipt. And it's like, then you can go and be like, whenever the cop pulls you over and he's like, why do you have $10,000 cash on you? You're like, well, you show him this receipt and you're like, I want it at the casino. And they're like, oh, okay. Wow. So we would do that too.
Camp Gagnon
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Go to the casino too much. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's kind of one of those. But, yeah, in Miami, it's, like, so unpersonal.
Camp Gagnon
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Yeah. It's crazy that you even say that because yeah, it was so different from my mom and my dad's. It was like almost like living two lives.
Camp Gagnon
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I'm blessed with this dude right behind me. And I got a cool business manager, man. Honestly, if it wasn't for him, I wouldn't know what the fuck to do. I don't want to say he's like a father figure, but that's like my uncle, dude.
Camp Gagnon
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Oh, man. I mean, dude, that's like the only parents I've ever known in my life is that guy sitting behind me. You know what I'm saying? When did you meet Juan? Last year. He flew, he flew straight from, he come to my house. Like I'm living with roaches in my house and shit. Like I'm living in a, it's not a terrible crib. It's my favorite. It's my best one at the time.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
Like I thought it was nice, but yeah, this motherfucker coming, he got Montclair bracelets on. This dude just got bred.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
There's been all types of shots like that. Maybe even I pulled up on him just the other day with the Harley and he said, God damn it, kid.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
what are we gonna do nah yeah yeah yeah nah just even more so just um the struggles of like being like the the finally the only person in my family with money and like that's been more of a struggle than anything yeah like i have like a shitty spending habit you know sometimes i haven't wasted all my money or nothing like that of course i go to the casino too much for sure you're also not dumb
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
No, I felt like that. White trash Hannah Montana.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
Yeah, and I'm not... Like, I know you say, oh, I'm a degenerate, da-da-da.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
Right, that fucks me. I wouldn't. I never would. But I think the advice that I got from, like, Juan and shit is more in, like... Hey, man, you can't save everybody. You know, hey, man, yeah, I know you really want to buy your mom a house right now, but guess what? If you just keep building in three years, you'll be able to do that. You got this money, it's in a portfolio.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
I'd go to my mom's house and I would be like real life trailer park white trash kid that's like running around in a shitty diaper. And then I'd go to my dad's house and I would be like, I was the quarterback of the football team and the point guard and like I was the... I played shortstop. I was playing all these sports. My sister, she went to school. She graduated. She was an athlete.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
Yeah, yeah, you got to do this with the money. I mean, dude, this guy, I'm in fucking Vegas. It's 1 a.m., and we're, like, talking about, like, and I don't like talking about money, bro. It makes me uncomfortable. I don't even like even thinking about it. I definitely don't like fucking talking to him about it because he's, like, a responsible person. Yeah, and shit.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
and we're like having an uncomfortable conversation and i got bad credit and all that and this is like what's your address he's like hand me your id i handed my id and like 15 minutes later he's like he's like all right i enrolled you for a mx credit card like and he like helped me out to like facilitate that and he's like this is what you do with that this is how you handle your money this is going to build you in this and if you spend this and you know make sure you keep paying it off and do this and like he's the first person to ever teach me like financial like literacy right you know and it might happen at
Camp Gagnon
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2 a.m. after a show in Vegas at the hotel while we're just having downtime and hanging out. So that's the first real... I mean, even he knows... Juan gets the worst of it because he's my manager and I'm a fucking emotional dude and he gets the worst of it. If I'm being emotional, he'll hear it. But it's the first time that I've ever had a fucking adult that's like, hey...
Camp Gagnon
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like i did this like i've been where you're at kid like i've seen that before i've been there before i came from nothing i did this i did that and look like and he's got a beautiful family and like that you know his money's right and all these things and he's got all all these relationships that like you know elevate him like as a person and like that and it's the first time that i've ever had like an adult like that in my life you know i've never had an adult that
Camp Gagnon
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ever if there was an adult that was like financially literate around me they were like shunning us because we were like broke and my parents were drug addicts so they didn't want to fuck with us like i i never one time have ever heard you know i didn't know that you could put money in a fucking uh uh investment account and let it grow like interest and shit i never knew shit like that i never grew up knowing that shit my parents never
Camp Gagnon
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you make $20,000 a year bro you are fucking buying food with that and rent only you're not talking about what can I put in an investment account yeah of course yeah you stay poor do you have animosity towards rich people I'm losing it now these you know these I'm like yeah whenever I first like yeah bad bad like bad because did rich people judge you like
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
Yeah, but I don't know rich people, though, either. Like, if I go to Pierce City right now, I got the most money out of any, like, there's not, there might be a millionaire. Maybe a millionaire.
Camp Gagnon
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Yeah, like, so I don't know real rich people.
Camp Gagnon
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Like, I give Warren shit all the time. He says he's not rich, and I'm like, dude, you're the richest person I've ever seen. Like, what are you talking about, bro? Like, what the fuck? You know, so I've never seen real rich.
Camp Gagnon
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Oh, man. Hey. These motherfucking... These dudes, bro. First time I ever met the dude that owns one of the labels that I'm signed to. This man, we went to a horse race and he pulls out 50K from the bank. And he said, we're going to throw this on horses today. And I'm thinking to myself, like...
Camp Gagnon
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I mean, I've seen 50K because of the weed and shit like that, but I've never seen 50K and all hundreds in cash pulled out of the bank in a fucking Ziploc baggie, legal money, about to go gamble it all tonight type shit. I've seen 50K and I've thought, yo, I'm eating for a year off of this and everybody around me is getting a car and we're all going to get a fucking 98 Civic tonight.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
It was cool to watch her. My oldest brother dropped out when he was 16 and then moved back in when he was 20 and graduated at 21. Oh, nice. My second oldest brother, I remember this like yesterday. He said he was 16 years old and he got in trouble for smoking weed and he went into my parents' room and he said, fuck you. I'm moving out. He said, I'm moving to LA.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
I've thought that. But yeah, that's real money, bro. It's kind of like a scary thing, bro.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
Yeah, she texted me today, and she said, hey, bub, go show them who you are. You deserve this. I don't know. She just said shit like that. I got my mom a crib. I didn't buy it, but I rented her a crib, and it's the first time she's ever lived in a house that's not as big as this room. She's always been in a tiny house that like she used to make her couch out of milk crates and blankets.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
So she would like build a couch out of milk crates and like super glue them together, hot glue them together. And then she put mad blankets on it and it would look like a couch. And like that's how she's always lived like that.
Camp Gagnon
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bed you drag the bed out from the closet at night and put it in the living room and you make a pallet and that's where you sleep at night she studios like she had never lived anything so she's mad grateful she also watches my dog all the time now so like it's kind of a partnership yeah but um and then when overdose dropped like your dad saw that right no your dad never saw it No, bro.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
I remember I was making TikTok money. I was making 10 bands a month. I had given up the weed. I was making 10 legal thousand dollars a month on TikTok. I remember I saw my dad a week before he died. And one of the last conversations I had with him, I was like, I'm going to be rich, dad. If you can just hang on, don't kill yourself. Because he was talking about killing himself.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
I'm like, don't kill yourself if you can just hang on. Like, I promise you I'm going to be rich. I'm going to get you out. He was living in a shitty Section 8 apartment at the time. I was like, I'm going to get rich, Dad, and I'm going to move you out of here, and you're going to get, like, your own spot, and it's going to be great.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
And I remember him grabbing me on my shoulder and being like, even if you get rich, that's your money. That's not my money. And he was like, this is what I'm doing. And talking about, like, he's going to drink himself and smoke himself to death.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
and um yeah boom and then he did so and then i didn't make overdose until shit my dad died it was it must have been like two months later or three months later until i dropped overdose and did that influence the musical change i already had changed kind of i was already kind of making music like that thankfully that luckily before that like when i started getting paid on tiktok music became oh i just love this yeah i don't even care you don't have to listen to it no more i wasn't even promoting it on my page i might promote it in a funny skit sometimes like
Camp Gagnon
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You know, like, there was people that would, you know, they thought that, like, that was my thing, was promoting my music. But, like, nah, I just didn't really fuck with it until Overdose, really, until, like, that song, like, started going viral. And it was kind of like, I didn't even want, like, that song, I never really, I never promoted that song. That was just, like, straight.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
I'm like, what the fuck? I'm posting about being like, what the fuck? I can't believe you guys are fucking with this. And everybody just carried that song, you know. And I tried not to milk it. And I didn't want to make that my whole personality, you know.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
and shit like that but that song just like carried itself and i still struggle with promoting my music because like there's nothing worse than like there's just there's nothing where like i'm a real artist and and like you'll never be able to take that away from me they'll never be able to take that away from me nobody on the internet will no phone screen will no instagram page there's no nobody will ever be able to take away from a real artist i love my music i i love writing i i i write music and i physically have reactions i i'll be shaken or i'll be
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
I want to go smoke weed and be a rock star. And he never came back.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
Or I'll be crying or I'll be having chills. Like I'll have a physical reaction. That's because I love music so much. So nobody can ever take that from me. And it's a struggle to be like, trying to be like, like, take me serious. Like, please, please, please listen to this song. Please listen to it, bro. Like, come on. Like, come on. Look, people are starting to listen to it.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
and then wait what happened where's he at now right he lives in la he's got a band the captain's son they're pretty dope yeah they're shit do you hit up like are you guys you guys talk when i go to la sometimes he slides on the studio but he but our styles are so much different and um and also bro i'm a nine-year-old kid when he moves out and so like i don't really know him that well and then you don't see him from then i've never seen him yeah and then i'm 20 he just comes for christmas and shit so like he's that's my brother but like what's the name of the band
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
You should listen to it too. Oh, look, come on. My song's cool. Come on. I hate going to a, I hate hearing a song I like and then going to their page and realizing, oh, you're not even a real artist. You're just a guy that's trying to promote the song that I related to kind of. Right.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
And now all of a sudden, whenever I hear the song, I'm like, fuck that song because I related to it what I thought you were, but you're not that. You're a dude that's like trying to get famous and you're a dude that's like trying to, and I never want to be that.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
So I still struggle with like promoting my own music to this day, you know, because I believe in myself more than just like trying to make the internet believe in it. It's so crucial to like the game be this guy that is you know on the internet doing these things So I try to find a balance, but I don't think I've really like that. I'm not totally there. So what does success look like to me?
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
Success bro. I would say like if I'm sitting and I'm successful. Um My sister has a house. My mom has a house my mom is like gonna like Yeah, like, I want my mom to die, like, in her house that she owns, not, like, in some rental or, like, some spot. And then my nephews are in college, and they all got vehicles that they can drive. And, yeah, bro, that would be successful to me.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
So... But that means that, you know... 10 million dollars is not like the goal like it's like it's like property and like fucking uh like the peace of mind the best thing about having money right now and i'm not like some rich dude trust me i'm not like some super rich guy but you know the best thing about having a little bit of money is like being able to eat whenever you want
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
I can eat anything I want whenever I want. I grew up not doing that. I grew up not being... I never ate out. Like, I never was able to eat out. I only got to eat out if my homies' mom's friends gave them extra money from me.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
And I never got that. And there was not even restaurants like that. So that's the best part about being like that. If my... I'm successful if my nephews can grow up and be, like, 16 years old and be, like... Hey, like I'm gonna take my friends to go get dinner tonight and and they can do shit like that, you know Yeah, have you had good sushi yet?
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
Dude low-key actually whenever I was in high school I was dating this girl and there's a sushi spot in Springfield, which is like an hour away from I grew up and It's still my favorite sushi to this day. We went in high school. She showed it to me Springfield. Yeah, it's a good sushi spot promise.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
No, it's fire, bro. But it's cream cheese sushi, though.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
What are you talking about? You're talking about like fucking raw salmon. It's cool. Raw salmon.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
It's cool. I mean, you've had. Yeah, yeah. I'm trying to think of a spot in L.A. I went to. I went to this famous spot in L.A. Nobu. I've been to Nobu, but it was cool. It didn't blow your mind? You know what, bro? I'm also kind of a... You got a pure city palate. Dude, these guys are rich, though, bro. Like, the first time I hung out with Juan and them in Miami, we were eating at Mr. Chow.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's my favorite spot to eat now. So, like, I'm low-key kind of like a diva-ass bitch. And, like, Nobu was, like, kind of annoying low-key. The service sucked. Yeah. But that's just like, you know, that's me saying it from a spot of like, you know, Mr. Chow before I sit down, they pull the seat out. So Nobu, I ate it in Malibu and it was like, I didn't love it.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
And I guess I didn't get the right shit though. Everybody says I didn't get the right stuff, but it was cool though. That's where I like, I like to do that. That's my favorite thing to do is get dressed up with the homies and, and, and, and go eat somewhere super nice. That's like my favorite thing to do.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
Yeah, bro, we don't get down like that, bro. We just work, man. It's kind of cool. Like, I'm super humbled every time I get on the bus.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
No, man, I'm humbled when I get on the bus because I'm with my boys from back in the day, and I'm not on the bus. And a lot of the time, these guys, they're not in the music industry. They want to go to bed and shit. We do hang out and drink sometimes, but really, bro, I'm not living like that. I'm not living that crazy tour party life. Because a lot of dudes in your situation would.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
Yeah, I want to be successful, though, bro. I want to be an actual rock star. I want to do a headlining tour of stadiums, and then you're going to have to wear it. Once I'm on a headlining tour of stadiums, Then I'll call you. All right. Then call me back and be like, hey, does Abe got a therapist? And what's going on? Because then I'm going to be throwing fucking TVs out the window.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
But right now I can't fuck it up. Right. I mean, like I have this story where after the show one time we were like kind of buzzing and we were hanging out in the bus behind the venue. And I ran back into the venue and stole this like five foot or like four foot lava lamp that they let us use. I stole that from them.
Camp Gagnon
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The Captain's Son. They're sick, bro. The Captain's Son. Can we pull that up, Miles? I would love to see what they look like. Hey, Miles. The Captain's Son. Yeah, they're cool. And this is, like, the guy that got me inspired. Like, I mean, all my brothers were, like, rock stars. S-O-N. Yeah, it's all good.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
and I took it all the way home and we used it at like some other shows and it was like that was like some some fun rock star shit that's as close as you'll get yeah but then they called us and they were like just bring it back no Juan calls me he's like Abe did you guys steal uh I'm like yeah we might have accidentally I already know he was pissed I already know he was pissed you know the cool thing about Juan though is he's on my head about you know certain things sometimes but he lets me live though
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
You know, I told him, I was like, he's parenting a teenager right now.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
You know what I mean? I'm sure Cruz is cake. He'd probably go home and he'd probably tell Cruz, you are such a good kid.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
Yeah, like, thank you so much for coming home on time, my 14-year-old or however old he is. Is he 14? Yeah. Yeah, when I was 14, yeah. My brother died at 15. Ain't that some shit? Cruz is a baby. I was that age, bro. Crazy to think about that, man. Because you see, like, when I was a kid, 15 years old is, like, even my homies, like, 15 years old was, like, kind of older.
Camp Gagnon
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You're starting to, some of my friends worked. You're starting to have to get a job. You know, you're on the farm at least. And, like, you ever heard of a farmer's license? No. When you're 14 years old in Kansas City, or in Kansas and Missouri, you can get a license to drive on the farm. Only on the farm, yeah. Yeah, so, like, my homies would have that.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
They'd be 13, 14 years old driving trucks to school and shit. And so, like, 15 was kind of like, I didn't feel like I was a kid at the time. But looking back, I'm like, damn.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
Yeah, skippity toilet, motherfucker.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
Yeah, bro, what the fuck, dude? It's crazy. That is insane. Yeah, so insane.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
You're great at this, bro.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
Yeah, I'm at a house party. I'm 15. I'm in the basement. These two cool kids from the town over, they're making rap songs, and they're like, we need another verse. We need another verse. My friends run outside. They know that me and my homie freestyle. They're like, come in. They need a verse. Come freestyle. We go down there. They're like, you need a rap name first. 20 minutes go by.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
They're asking me personal questions. They say, who's your favorite president? And I don't know why they said that. And I don't know why I said Abraham Lincoln. And they were like, oh, all right, cool, cool, cool. They were like, Honest Abe, that's what's up. And then they were like, Honest Abe. And I was like, no way. That is so sick. And then we did it. We ran with it. Honest Abe.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
All my brothers were like rock stars, like they all wanted to be, but these guys really inspired me. He used to have a band called The One You Love to Hate. The third picture? Yeah. Yeah, this is them. So which one's your bro? That's my brother right there. Oh, that's crazy. I did not know. He's a lead singer and lead guitar. So was he making music when you were growing up? The shit, man.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
I've been called Honest Abe ever since. And then my homie, we came up with his name, too. His name was Breezy. Whoa. We called him Breeze and never stopped.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
No, fuck no. He's got two kids. He's killing it. He's supporting a wife and kids. He can't be on the road. He would if he could.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
money they're like i sell insurance yeah yeah or whatever you know i have a good job i make money yeah but you know what bro you know what they think i'm sure your friend is thinking you know he's having a little argument with his wife he's thinking damn like bro's on the road right now living his dream you know doing comedy shows and making people laugh and like it's never gonna be good enough man it's true it all sucks yeah it all sucks you know life's shit wall to wall then you die but it is uh that that song though just like it resonated with me i was like oh wow i definitely feel that like thank you bro
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
thanks yeah no it is like 100 you cope with it like i feel the same way like yeah i haven't been through nearly the same shit but like bro it's all the same though man there's never like dude the thing about that motherfuckers don't get is that like the shit that i went through was crazy for me but like there was something that happened in your life that was crazy for you and that's the same crazy like i never like whenever i was a kid i fucking hated rich people
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
I hated anybody that had bread. If you were a kid that had good parents, I did not fuck with you. Like I was telling Juan, I never went out to eat solo with my parents. I never had one-on-ones with my parents. Maybe I had one or two, and it was a coupon I got for my birthday. My parents used to make me coupons. It would be dinner with dad. It would be a movie with mom.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
And I would use a coupon, hey, dad. And sometimes he would say, no, motherfucker. Like, dead ass. And so that's how I'd hang with my parents. Hey, dad, I got this coupon. Let's go watch a movie. And sometimes he'd be like, no, I'm not feeling it. And I'm like, fuck you, I've had this for a year. A check bounced?
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
So I hated him, but I'm going in to realize everybody's shitty is the same shitty.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
They were called the one you love to hate. He was a punk band. Like, I remember, bro, I tell people this all the time, like, I fell in love with music because I grew up where, like, I would come home from school, my brothers just, you know, they're like...
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
Maybe one day I'm going to make a song that makes people feel good. Yeah. Like one time.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
That sounds pretty. Yeah, you know who really does well with that? My boy D-O-M.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
Yeah, definitely. Yeah. On the way for that.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
Dude, been real as fuck, man.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
Hey, same with you, though, bro. This pod, what's up? This is like the foundation for something huge.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
Yeah, you're going to be great, bro.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
My parents don't get home till 637 every night like you don't see your parents until 7 o'clock every single night So I go home and I'm and I'm little bro. I'm 8 years old and my 16 year old brothers are all Smoking pot upstairs hiding it from the parents locking the door. We're not allowed to hang out.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
I can hear him playing music I would I would walk in and like hear muffled music upstairs, bro And I'll go up there and I'll try to get in they wouldn't let me in the door. I'm a little bro and But I would watch through this crack in the door. There was, like, a board that was, like, nailed to the door instead of an actual door. And there was, like, a crack.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
And I would watch them, like, for hours play. And, like, he would have a buddy there with sticks. And it was, like, bro, it was the coolest shit to me, bro. And they had, like, band posters, you know what I'm saying, in their rooms and shit like that. And they would have, like, instruments. And they would be, like, smoking cigarettes.
Camp Gagnon
Tragedy, Crime and Viral Music Superstardom | The HonestAv Story
Okay, when I'm, like, five years old, my parents had just got divorced. My parents got divorced when I was four, so I don't really remember anything before them being divorced. Five years old is probably some of my first memories.
Camp Gagnon
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It was cool as fuck. I would be like, fuck.
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You built this? What am I doing? You built this at 28, man? What the fuck am I doing, bro?
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Yeah, I can't do that. I'm not ready for that yet.
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You were really hanging on to that 28 thing, right? Bro, I got until September.
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In April, I just turned 27. Stop it, bro. I'm like, I barely got pimples, bro. I'm like fucking, I'm a baby, basically, compared to you, bro.
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You look terrible, dude. Dude, look at me, bro. Oh, there's no mirror in here? Thank God for you, man. Yeah.
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No, I'm working on the beard thing.
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He said, I got to have a real barber.
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He just motherfucking said, I'm grabbing my shit.
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my mom at that time yeah yeah my mom is like she sells dope and she's like uh uh she's like a heavy crack addict whoa and she's like um she had like left my dad because she had like cheated on him and like she had like cheated on my dad and um
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No, he, like, man, this is, are we going to get into this? I'm here. He trims me up in the back, you know, and he gives me a little undercut. This feels fucking.