Horatio Gould

Anyway, they were managed by a guy called Vittorio Pozzo, who was a kind of supposedly like an early visionary managerial genius.

He basically was a fascist on the training pitch.

Yes, you do.

If you just eat Italian food for a week.

Right.

You're blocked up.

Nothing's coming out.

Nothing's getting through there.

You've got lasagna in your stomach.

Nothing's getting through there.

I see.

Nothing's coming out.

no yes you're right it's a weird clash though because you would think it would be much more free flowing and sort of like loose and like emotional no but it's shithousery it's diving it's not taking responsibility for anything okay you know it is Italian you know the catanaccio which is the that's Arrigo Sacchi in the 80s yeah he takes he takes Cruyff's total football and makes it boring but it doesn't feel like an Italian thing to do to take a Dutch thing and make it boring it's upside down how are the Dutch total free flowing football

I don't know.

It makes sense when you say it like that.

But the Italians will do anything to win.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

Which is why they're obsessed with defense.