Hugh van Cuylenburg

Like you've been in a lot of work.

It's one of the worst feelings you can have.

I think everyone listening would know the rejection of something you care about, like something you really want, something you really care about.

And it's just that, yeah, I know exactly how you feel and it's awful.

From a selfish point of view, we get 100% of your creative brain.

Okay.

Well, yeah, we love you and we think you're brilliant.

And if we were in charge of TV shows, you'd be the only one with a TV show in Australia.

Gosh, that's exactly.

I've thought about that because we had no idea you were going to turn the mics on and just do that.

So it completely came out of the blue.

And I've thought about it so much in the past week.

How are you now?

How do you feel now?

And how does it feel listening to that, first of all?

The other thing that just really dawned on me, just listening back to it, was that I never actually thought it wouldn't happen.

Not for a second did I feel like it wasn't going to happen.

I still don't understand why I wouldn't, but I just, I just sort of would.

And then I guess you are obviously, you obviously have to put yourself in that to a certain extent in that headspace because to, to write it properly, to, to, to invest in it properly, emotionally and creatively, you kind of have to believe in what you're doing.

So that's the other thing that just, I just realized listening back to it is how like you're very circumspect about it all.