Hunter Biden

That's the validity of it.

That's the Ukrainian company.

Yes, the Ukrainian oil and gas company.

It was not with Ukraine.

It was not with a foreign government.

It was not with an oligarch.

It was public about going on the board.

I served on 14 other boards before that.

I was chairman of the board of the U.S.

World Food Program, the largest humanitarian organization in the world.

I was vice chairman of the board of the largest railroad company in the world, which is the National Passage Rail System, which is Amtrak.

I was chairman of the board of the Truman National Security Project, chairman of the board of the Center for National Policy.

I was a professor at Georgetown's master's program in the School of Foreign Service for four years.

I had my own business in consulting and I had been in more places in the world

than 99.9% of people.

Very high-functioning addicts.

Extremely.

That makes it harder.

And by the way, I was of counsel to, at the time, the most prestigious law firm doing corporate governance at Boischiller and Flexner and had my own business.

And so when they came to ask me to be on the board, I said, no, I would represent them as a lawyer.