Hunter Biden
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What is discussed at the start of this section?
Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armchair Expert. I'm Dan Shepard. I'm joined by Lily Padman.
Hello.
Today we have Hunter Bidon, who is an author. He was a lawyer. He was a lobbyist. He is an artist and he's a recovery advocate. Obviously, he's the son of Joe Biden, the 46th president. And he has a book out now called Beautiful Things, detailing his heroin journey through fucking hardcore addiction.
Yeah.
And so this is a very addiction heavy episode. We try to minimize any political nature. I think this is the kind of story I love to hear about addiction. That's primarily what it is. Yes. So I hope everyone goes into it with an open mind because it's incredibly honest and vulnerable and powerful.
I agree.
Please enjoy Hunter Biden.
What themes of addiction are explored in this episode?
She's an angel.
You can stay seated. How are you, brother?
Good. I'm really, really sorry I'm late.
No, you're fine.
You're bringing sugar?
Yeah, yeah. All right.
Hey, Monica. Nice to meet you.
Nice to meet you. Luckily, we had sugar in the raw. Otherwise, I was bringing out a bag of white powder. I was like, what a start for these two. That is hilarious. Sugar in your coffee. I'm a little shocked. I'm going to be honest. I'm going to start with stereotypes. Yeah. I thought you were tougher than this. Oh, no. I'm sorry. You're right.
I got my few things. I got my nicotine a little bit. I quit smoking. When I got clean, Melissa, my wife, she convinced me to go to this guy. What's his name? The hypnotist? Yeah. I don't know his name, but I know of him. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah. And I was like, bullshit. And I went and it worked. Yeah. And then like six months later, I don't know, it was like my first indictment or my second. I was like, I need some nicotine. He said he could get anybody off of anything. I was shocked. Have you seen this guy? Like he's like out of a movie. He's got the worst toupee you've ever seen. He brings you into his garage that has all this bric-a-brac everywhere. You sit like in a bargain lounger. And he has a bottle of water, at least as I remember.
And he's just talking to you about nicotine and cigarettes. And when did you start and things like that.
How does Hunter Biden describe his family dynamics?
And all I remember is just doing this. There's never a moment where you're like, you're under. At the very end, he comes. And it's just three sessions. And at the last session, he said, that's it. You're done. Right. And I was done.
That's pretty crazy.
How about the physical withdrawal? No, done. You didn't feel the craziness? No, no. He does it over three sessions. And like the first session, you're going to smoke half of what you smoke.
Okay, okay.
Second session, you're only going to have two cigarettes a day. And then the third, you're done. And I was done. I mean, I was smoking since I was 17. I mean, like a pack of Marlboros a day. When you were sober, probably a pack.
Yeah, and when I wasn't. Yeah. Well, when I look back, I remember my epic hangovers. And at this point, it's hard to really know because I also had smoked like three packs of Camel Whites on nights that I partied. If you're blowing lines, the cigarette never goes out. It's just one after another. And you wake up feeling horrendous. You're like, I don't know how to unravel. Was it the alcohol? Was it the cocaine? Was it the insane amount of cigarettes?
Wasn't that the whole problem? It's one lead stall.
I think there's a combination of all.
It's just a big glob. Yeah.
Yeah. We can talk about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's kind of your position. I've heard you speak on this a bit. I think statistically we would agree, right? I think the shocking number I heard you say is like you add up every single other known drug and the amount of deaths caused by alcohol is 5x some total of every other drug. Yeah. Which I guess then you could try to parse out like what is the quantity aspect of the drug and then what's the qualitative aspect that's causing that destruction.
Yeah. What do you think? I think it's both. Alcohol, number one, is so ubiquitous, but beyond it being ubiquitous, it's the only drug that impacts every organ of your body and every pleasure center of your brain.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is discussed at the start of this section?
0:00–1:05
2
What themes of addiction are explored in this episode?
1:05–2:26
3
How does Hunter Biden describe his family dynamics?
2:26–41:03
4
What impact did the car accident have on Hunter's life?
41:03–1:01:47
5
What led to the impeachment hearing related to Hunter Biden?
1:01:47–1:02:24
6
How did Hunter Biden's laptop become a political issue?
1:02:24–1:03:26
7
What are the implications of addiction in Hunter Biden's life?
1:03:26–1:03:53
8
How does Hunter Biden reflect on his relationship with his father?
1:03:53–1:59:53