Hunter Biden

And regardless of whether anybody believes me or not, that 100% was the bright line rule in anything that I did in my professional career, and everybody knew that.

And then the other way, however, was the much more insidious way, which I'm sure that, you know, whatever level that you're talking about in terms of your own familial relations and as you become more influential or as your influence has grown,

is just a much more insidious way about people that you believed to be honest, straightforward, interesting, in which you figure out, though, at some point, that they have an agenda.

and they have an agenda that's all about them and not about you personally, but about what your wife can do for them as it relates to you.

But you find that out pretty quickly.

And...

And, uh, you know, and that's really kind of easy to figure out, um, uh, at some point when, when my dad was a United States Senator.

Um, uh, because I was, I was, you know, uh,

highly aware of it my whole life is that he had the capacity to do things like for instance um getting people into the naval academy the united states senator as you know is the capacity that they have a um they get to choose what is it two candidates per year i don't know yeah i think that's how it works and jeremy or anybody else can explain it better but

They have a, I think every United States senator has the, on an annual basis, picks two for every service academy.

They can appoint two people.

And so a lot of the things that my dad did as it relates to things like that, realizing that there's an enormous room for abuse of that, is like he created a independent panel of people and took the decision out of his hands to be able to do that.

And I just use that as an example of the ways in which

And one of the rules in my family, and that just didn't apply to me, it didn't apply to anybody in my family, is that if you're working for somebody, if you're getting paid for somebody, don't come into my dad's office and ask anybody to do anything on behalf of those people that you're being paid to work for, regardless of how good the cause is.

regardless of how, how righteous you may feel that it is.

But that was the rule.

And, and so,

Those are the two kind of obvious ways that, one less obvious, one in which, you know, there's like a level of seduction that occurs and where people sometimes even unwittingly overstep a boundary that at least that I would have or anybody else in my family would have.

And then there's the ways in which I now only in retrospect have become kind of fully cognizant of that are much, much more sophisticated in terms of the ways in which you can be manipulated by people.

Sometimes wittingly, sometimes unwittingly, sometimes, you know.