Hunter Biden

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And it's...

And that experience for me didn't have the same level of profound immediate effect as it related to my sobriety.

But here's the really interesting part about it.

it's the only drug that i know that i haven't um uh that i've taken and enjoyed that i haven't craved do you have that i mean i don't feel like the desperate need to try 5meo again i've done it a handful of times

Okay, yeah.

And that's what I was about to say, is that I think that I came to that experience with I Have a Game and 5MEO with the right...

uh respect for um in reverence for the the plant medicine time i tried to ayahuasca um in a different environment for the same purpose and had a very very very horrible dark experience but i came to it with a very um uh

the insincere intentions intentions um uh and both ostensibly in an attempt to um find sobriety i think that there is so much incredible promise in uh in some of these um plant medicines as it relates to people that suffer from ptsd

particularly in the studies that they've done in the communities.

I know that you talked to Governor Newsom about that, and they're making some real inroads.

But...

But just all I can talk about it is from the personal experience and how it informs me as like, you know, what was the thing that made me ready?

I don't know.

The combination of attempts that I made that all led up to me being open and willing to like look in Melissa's eyes and when she said, this ends now, to say okay to a stranger.

and put myself at the mercy of someone to trust that they are going to help me do the hard work.

But anyway, I think people are desperate to be connected.

And I think that that is both a beautiful thing and one of the things that has exposed people to and made them very easy targets, including myself, to the algorithms that I use.

you know bent to the to the need to be a part of something easiest thing to be a part of is um is uh is hate you know it's the easiest thing it's really easy to get um people to to band together to uh

to blame somebody else, whether it's a group or an individual.