Chapter 1: What led to Hunter Biden's participation in this interview?
Hunter Biden, welcome to the Candace Owens Show.
It's wonderful to be here.
People are just going to be like, how on earth did this happen?
I know.
I got to give them a bit of a backstory. So I went to dinner with a fellow podcaster and we were just talking about interviews because we don't do too many interviews on the show and he... He first asked me what was the best interview I ever did. And I said, without question, the USS Liberty survivor, Phil Turney. And then he said, what would be your top interview that you'd want to do?
And I said, oh, gosh, we're in such a different time now. Like, I'm just not interested in politics. Like, it would have to be something so different. And then I said, actually, Hunter Biden. I watched your sit down with Andrew Callahan. Yeah.
And it was kind of the most refreshing interview that I had seen in politics for in a very long time, because we're so used to being gaslit about various things happening. Everyone's trying to hide stuff. And we read a lot about you. I guess we didn't really hear anything from you. So this was kind of the first time I heard you in your own words. Just totally owning your addiction issues.
Also going after Jake Tapper and George Clooney. And when we were kind of expecting the typical Democrat, like, these are great guys. These guys are amazing. Jake Tapper should, you know, win a Pulitzer. I don't know. And I would just, it wasn't what I was expecting is what I would say. So, and then that person just sort of made this happen. Yeah.
So I want to just sort of get into the Hunter Biden story. I will say to the audience right now, I have already made the pledge right when I got on the phone with you that like, obviously, I'm not going to make you say anything bad about your father, because that would just be completely demonic to be like, say something terrible about your father.
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Chapter 2: How does Hunter Biden address his struggles with addiction?
Yeah. I'm most interested in the addiction story. And I was saying to you before we started rolling that this was sort of something that I noticed when I would cover various topics, whether it was pornography, drugs on my show, drinking, how many men would write and say they were suffering with various things, and yet they don't often speak about addiction.
like how they're quietly suffering at whether it's with addiction to pornography addiction to drugs and i don't think there are enough conversations about it and so when i watched that interview of you just just laying it out there something that most people try to hide or they're shameful of i was like there actually just needs to be more dialogue about it i grew up with tons of addicts in my family i have people in my family who are still addicted um and there is i think
There is a natural anger that people have when they, for some reason, believe, and I think this was part of the anger that I had toward you before I heard you speak about your addiction, is that you sort of think when somebody has money and political connections that that somehow removes them from going through these sorts of barriers in life.
So when I grew up, it's like, okay, you have uncles, whatever, that are addicted to crack. You have cousins that are doing crack, whatever it is, or experimenting with meth and drugs and those things. And then you see someone that has a life of privilege and for some reason in your mind you wrongly go, okay, that can't happen. And it did happen.
And I actually, I'd like to hear like how you got addicted. Like what was actually the story, your path toward addiction?
Yeah. So thank you for letting me talk about that or asking me about it. And I really mean it. It's one of the things that traps people. I can only speak about myself, but I think that people that are addicts or that are in recovery, also you find out really fast is that you're not as terminally unique as you think you are. And one of the things that...
that is really important about addicts talking to each other and talking about it is that realization. Because one of the things that traps you in your addiction is shame. And, you know, you, you like me are, um, are Catholic, and we have learned that guilt is an appropriate emotion. Guilt is an appropriate response to something when you've done something wrong.
And you're supposed to atone for it. And you're supposed to seek forgiveness, whether the forgiveness comes from an individual or not. That's the lesson, is that it is only through seeking that forgiveness can you release yourself from that guilt. that's appropriate. Shame is not. Shame is just absolutely corrosive.
Shame is you telling yourself that you're not worthy, that you're never going to be worthy, that the things that you've done, you can never be redeemed from. And I've done horrible things in my addiction in terms of what I did in terms of my relationships and decisions that I made. And more than anything, it's just removing myself from being present for the people that love me.
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Chapter 3: What was Hunter Biden's response to the cocaine found at the White House?
And it wasn't easy. And maintaining sobriety in that kind of like a pressure cooker is often the thing that triggers you. But something broke in me in a good way, which was that I no longer have any fear. I, I like, you know, sitting down with you is to me an, all an opportunity for you to see me as a human being and not, um, you know, Hunter Biden laptop.
Yeah.
and the pictures that Congressman Greene put up in Congress, or the New York Post. I think I was on the cover of the New York Post in one year more than anybody in the history of the paper. And none of it was good. None of it was good. But what it's given me is the opportunity to own it all, is to own all of my story without shame or fear, realizing that
I have a community of people out there that I want to be of service to. I really mean that. And so part of it is by me being able to be honest about it, and we were just talking before we started this, is the hardest thing for any addict to do is not only get honest with the people that they love, but to get honest with themselves.
And until they can, until they can really see themselves for who they are, all of it, and decide to love themselves, then, you know, the cycle is just going to continue. At least in my experience, that's the truth. I think one of the things... Did I even answer your question?
Yeah, I want to talk about the first time that you got introduced to it because that's interesting.
Oh, I know. I went into all the good stuff.
Yeah, actually, start with that. How did you actually get introduced? First off, describe for people who don't know the difference between cocaine and crack because crack is a lot more addictive.
And so just what is the difference between... I know I got a lot of heat for...
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Chapter 4: How does Hunter Biden reflect on his relationship with his father?
Let me figure out the way not only to kill myself, but to maybe kill my dad. you know, really hurt my family. Um, uh, particularly my, my three daughters who like adore me and I adore like just the, the, the fact, and I, and I smoke crack and the, the difference between crack cocaine and powder cocaine is this.
And I really, truly do not want to give a roadmap for people to be able to do this because I swear to God, it'll kill you. But it's sodium bicarbonate, which is baking soda, water, heat. That's it. That's all. That is the entire difference of it, which allows it to be ingested through a smoking process.
And the combination of those things makes it so that it affects your physiology much faster than it would be if you just use powder cocaine through your nose or in any other form other than intravenously. And it also allows you to ingest more faster than you could possibly ever ingest by sniffing cocaine up your nose. The combination of that, the combination of combustion, ritual,
And the ritual meaning the way in which you have to, you know, I mean, I can still feel my hands doing it.
Mm-hmm.
is you know becomes this ritualistic thing with the combination of combustion which is uh and you learn you i mean if you really study things about addiction is these kind of key components of um oral fixation and things like that it just becomes the most ungodly addiction that you can possibly imagine to the point where i was smoking crack
You know, I mean, literally, you know, I was either looking for or smoking or recovering, not even recovering. You don't recover. You just go find more for close to a two-year period of time.
Wow.
And it took me to places, you know, I wrote all about it. And I got made fun of about it. And, you know, people think that, you know, when I wrote my book, like, you know, clawing through the carpet to find crack cocaine and, you know, Parmesan cheese and, you know. And I know it's a real laugh line, but anybody that's ever been an addict like that, they don't laugh about it.
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Chapter 5: What insights does Hunter Biden share about the media's portrayal of him?
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And I think that's probably why people separate it as well, too. Because like I said, there's this idea of what a politician's family is supposed to be. And you obviously are, because I genuinely understand what those sorts of addictions do. I don't think people realize you're not... you're just not even yourself.
It's like a demon, the best way to say it, and maybe I'm taking a Catholic take on this, but it's like a full demonic possession when you're in the throes of these drugs. And I mean, this was actually a great benefit of A&E doing intervention because people could really see these moments where people will choose drugs the drug over their family. They will choose the drug over their kids.
They will choose, you know, they'll choose the drug over literally anything. And for people who, and I would, I actually tend to agree with you that I've wondered myself if there's something genetic because I'm not wired that way. Or maybe I just haven't found the drug that would do that to me.
But like, I would say that like, I've just never been, never had something and was like, oh, I just need to have that again or want it again. And I've seen friends that they have something once and they're like, want to do this every second. And I go, that's very interesting. Like, it's almost like you're, you're made of something different.
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Chapter 6: How does Hunter Biden discuss the impact of addiction on families?
There was a hard drive of stolen and hacked material wherever it came from, whether it came from a Delaware repair shop or whether it came, like Lev Parnas says, from Dmitry Firtash who was trying to sell a hard drive, Hunter Biden's, in Ukraine, you know, that they were looking for before the laptop repair shop guy was ever the twinkle in the eye. Just go back and look at the record, okay?
So here's the thing. is you're absolutely right. And this is like the freedom of being able to say this. It's like, yeah, they should have let me go out and talk. But it was two weeks before the campaign. And then the election was over. Steve Bannon goes on with his buddy, Gao,
You know, the Chinese billionaire that's now in prison and, you know, that is like a Chinese spy or whatever, you know, where he got arrested on his boat and all that crap. Is it, I mean, there is a, go listen to it. Go listen to the recorded conversation in which they say, like the laptop, like we got them.
We like, you know, so we put all, we collected all the salacious pictures and we put them out there. And then Rudy went out and stood on the steps of the Newcastle County courthouse with Bernie Carrick and said, this contains child exploitation, like pure, you know, I mean, pure bullshit, just bullshit. So on both sides, you have this reaction of,
Which I don't think was necessarily a coordinated reaction in the sense that, what do you do in two weeks? And so they come up with this and they say, and I don't get to go out and say, no, I was. But you know what I did? Is that come April, I write a book and I tell everybody I was addicted to crack. Here's my story. And here's what happened.
And here is all of the rooms that no one would ever want to admit to being in that I was in. And it was like a blip on the radar because everybody was now fighting about whether there was kind of a suppressed story on Twitter and whether there was this gaslighting from, you know, and by the way, I am not here to defend anybody.
But then it's part of like the political machine where they're like, we have two weeks to go to the election. We're going to do this denial, you know, because we can't afford this right now, essentially. And so and then we're going to table this, make it past these two weeks. And then by that time, first and foremost, your father won. Right. So, you know, and so people are angry.
They feel like the election's been stolen. And that there was this entire collusion to cover a laptop, which if it was on the other side, they may have done too. This is what DC is. It's politics. But that is where I think the anger came from. And it was just like, how dare you gaslit us? And then people then start making you this focal point.
It didn't have anything to do with me.
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Chapter 7: What are Hunter Biden's views on the current political climate?
You know, part of it, but something's changed in this. There is a meanness, um, a willingness to adopt, uh, very, very un-American, uh, tactics, um, uh, against our opponents because it become a zero sum game. Mm-hmm . It's not just that I disagree with you. It's you need to be punished. You need to be punished for what you believe. You know, there's this incredible show.
I really want to meet them one day. I don't know if you've listened to it. It's called The Necessary Conversation. Have you listened to that? Incredible. It's a brother and a sister who are progressives. One lives in LA and like one lives in Austin or something like that. And she runs a bakery, this sister and a mom and dad, and they are ultra MAGA.
And I think they were like in, you know, Missouri somewhere. And I mean, like, don't take their caps off. Trump literally can do no wrong. He's playing 4D chess on the Epstein thing. The, you know, uh, I know he said no war in Iran, but you know, uh, he must have a reason for it and you can't convince like literally that, but they have this conversation.
And they have real issues with each other. Like, the daughter gets really mad at the dad. Like, dad, you were a jerk to us when we were kids. You made me... But then she has this conversation with her mom who loves animals and, like, taught her about empathy. And they would adopt all, you know, these animals. And...
They would, uh, and you, you find out like her dad taught, you know, or coached all of their little league games and she was a softball player. And if a kid couldn't like afford the uniform, dad would quietly go out and buy the uniform. And he's awful on this thing, by the way, like he's like, he's in terms of the way that he speaks and speaks to them.
And he's like tough and I don't get, I don't give a shit and, you know, drop a bomb on them kind of, you know, but it's so informative is that before. That's a normal family. That's a thing. Before you and I could meet at a restaurant in Georgetown and your husband and my wife and we could have dinner together. And like with Tucker, I knew Tucker. You know what I mean?
And, um, and like you could have dinner together and think that what Tucker was saying was crazy. I don't agree with, and I don't agree with, you know, half the stuff, but you know what it didn't mean? It didn't mean that I thought that he should be tried for treason and executed. And that's what happened to me. And I mean that not figuratively. I mean it literally. That's what people were saying.
And that's what people of real importance were saying. Those were the words that were coming out of the mouth, and I'm paraphrasing, of people like Steve Bannon and people like Rudy Giuliani. People of authority. And it changes everything. It's how can you even have a discussion, for instance, how could I go out and talk about, how could I respond, was that cocaine mine? Like, what do you want?
Do you want me to take a drug test? Because I'm taking a drug test almost weekly for the Department of Corrections and probation. You know, I have a probation officer. I'm on release until trial. But what do you do? Is that the statement that you make to the New York Post? It's impossible. It becomes impossible. But what do you do? You realize this.
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Chapter 8: How does faith play a role in Hunter Biden's recovery journey?
It's not that person. If I could just get Steve Bannon to tell the truth, if I could just get Rudy Giuliani to stop lying about me, if I could just get Konstantin Kulak to say that he wrote the, if I, like, it's not there. You realize, in order to survive, it's all inside. Every single piece of it is about figuring out how to love yourself, not live in that shame.
And in order for you to be able to be of service first, or, you know, to Melissa, like return the beautiful thing that she gave me, which was a chance.
Mm-hmm.
to be of service to my dad, the return, the unconditional love, which is not love without consequences, not love without accountability. It's just knowing that no matter what, even through the consequences and being held accountable, that that person still loves me.
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