Ian Cherrington

Yeah, I guess what's worth saying from my perspective is that it is a big part of it, particularly the modern cases, this evolution, where it seems to be a big factor, particularly for people who are younger, is the notoriety to be remembered.

Some of this nihilistic sort of violence I mentioned, individuals sort of interested in that are interested in being kind of famous within their own world online.

Yeah.

And so when they decide to do something, they pick locations that are going to make the front page, aren't they?

Or they're going to be iconic and remembered and strike fear and all this sort of thing.

That's what they're thinking about.

Generally, they're doing that.

But also...

They want to come out the other end of it and kind of almost be better than the last one, which is a very difficult thing.

But that is a... I'm not saying that's their entire motivation, but that is a factor.

As I said before, that kind of comes from almost like a part of how they feel about themselves, low self-worth.

They want to kind of be more than that, you know.

And that is a bit of a difficult one because obviously the media have to report these things.

You know, it's really important, but there's lots of...

families of victims of these attacks that don't want to ever hear the suspect's name again.

And I don't blame them.

I understand that completely.

And I'd feel the same if it was my loved one.

Yeah, most definitely.

So I think for the media, it's probably just being tuned into the fact that actually...