Ian Cherrington

And ultimately, if someone says something that they didn't really mean, you know.

It can be explained, yeah.

involved in this type of proactive investigation yeah look i mean largely speaking internationally you you do have psychologists or people with behavioral science backgrounds kind of involved in most countries you know it ranges of course for me like i've seen i've seen different countries do this in different ways some focus more in the community and some focus more on kind of

detection and all that sort of stuff.

So there's a different emphasis.

Where I've probably been most impressed is in America where they have quite an open threat assessment community where this kind of runs through law enforcement, but also runs through into education, social work, mental health, all those kinds of things.

They obviously have an issue there with school shooting, which is considerable.

And like most things in life, that's a reaction to that, isn't it?

Like enough people have got together and said, how do we stop this?

Because it's happening and happening.

And it's kids, you know, it's children.

And that's right.

But what's impressive about it is just how far it stretches, the awareness of it.

So rather than just...

seeing the aftermath again and again, you know, and having that view of it and that fear about it, they managed to kind of create almost like a structured movement there of training people to spot the signs within different agencies and things like that.

And they're very proactive about it.

So I find that approach is very interesting because it kind of sits where I do with it, where I think...

awareness is is the way to go because you're not you know say you but i mean law enforcement aren't going to stop every single one of this one of these you know it's not possible even with the best will in the world because it doesn't come from nowhere but often the cases that you see aren't necessarily the priorities um because they're not they're not showing that outwardly to to law enforcement or other agencies but they might be showing it

online or with within their family friend groups yeah so it's kind of it's not hidden but it's it's you you can't necessarily find every person with these extreme views and then follow them around every day of the week you know it's not realistic so this is an alternative way to look at it is to make people aware so that when they see it they're tuned in enough they don't have to understand it completely but they're tuned in enough to call in you know that's the the emphasis i

Yeah, I mean, interestingly, stalking also could be described as a grievance, field-based violence, because often it just changes because it's normally or mostly about rejection and control and things like that.