Ian Cherrington

And think about it like, I mean, these sorts of things I think about, you know, obviously lots of people don't, you know, it's probably not great.

But nowadays a lot of these attacks are rudimentary.

They're knives in cars and things like that, right?

So you're not going to see necessarily as often maybe nowadays the bag, the bomb and all this.

Not saying it won't happen or never happen.

Yeah.

What I'm trying to say is some of these warning signs, which are kind of behaviors, are your metaphorical bag, unattended bag, a combination of them.

But particularly this idea of leakage behavior, particularly if someone actually says that they're intending to be violent because of some issue, they've got grievance, ideology, cause.

That's what I would try and connect to it.

And I'd say exactly the same to a police officer as I would to anyone.

Because it's very difficult to spot this.

It's like a little bit like a needle in a haystack in the sense that you don't quite know who it's going to be.

Previous roles, you know, I've personally had the responsibility for a number of people I've been concerned about, but that in a country can stretch to hundreds.

You don't know which one.

is going to be, you can't just, it's not minority report.

You can't just guess, but you can, you can sort of say someone's concerning, but what you do see is this kind of pathway or journey towards the attack.

That's when you start to see things that are recognizable.

Um, so I'm coming at it from a different, a different way of, of kind of warning signs.

This is it, yeah.

And I said it before already, if you can stop one, you know, it's worthwhile.