Ian Cherrington

Perhaps someone who listened to this might because they're connecting it.

But often families, they talk about strange behavior or friends, which is why I emphasized this idea that if it's blatant, if they're just saying they're going to do something, then that is very worrying because they're outwardly saying their intentions and

And that happens.

And so, but the subtle behavior is very difficult, you know, to spot.

And it's a classic thing of hindsight.

You know, you can almost make it fit, right?

With a comment can seem like it means something and all this.

And until you look at it afterwards, they've actually done it.

The significance isn't there.

But there's definitely a concern there.

people have about reporting and I think it's obviously sometimes it's loyalty and not wanting to get their friends or family into trouble it's a concern about what the government or police will do or the agencies or charities that work with people like this what might happen to them the reason I feel so strongly about it is because I've been on both sides like in a sense so I've supported people and tried to help them out of this process but also I've seen the devastation and

It has a big effect on someone, including police, detectives.

I look at it and my desire to kind of look at the prevention of it comes from having seen the awful devastation that these things create.

Huge mass cases like this devastate numbers and numbers of families, but they put fear into the community, but they also ruin society.

the suspect's life and their family's life too.

It really depends what stage it's at, if you like.

So if it's kind of gone very far, they're likely to be arrested, you know, because they do start committing offences if they've planned something and they've seriously planned it.

Earlier on in that, there's an opportunity...

to steer them out of it.

And there are sort of various programs around the world that support people to do that.