Ian Cherrington

And one of the things that I was involved in was this idea of protective factors.

So putting in things that improve their lives, not trying to debate their ideology or grievance, which is so deep seated at that point, it often makes it very difficult to get through to them.

But often behind all of this,

is a sense of kind of hopelessness about their own lives.

That's why they've connected to these subjects or these groups.

And so protective factors are kind of trying to address some of that.

And it's not to kind of make out like they're necessarily victims or, you know, but it's in reality,

This sort of thing, it's a social issue.

It comes from social issues.

That's what I believe.

And one of the most powerful ways to kind of actually stop someone and steer them away before they ruin their life and other people's lives

is to kind of get involved with them and treat them with some support and protective factors to try and improve situations.

It might be their living situation, it might be their family situation, you know, abuse, things like that, but it might be simply a sense of helplessness and

When I talk about this stuff, the lines aren't clear.

I'm emphasizing children because children can get involved.

The easiest way I can explain it is people would have seen that show Adolescence on TV, which is very powerful.

But it's this idea of parents having a child capable of something that you would never imagine.

But also...

When that happens, people start to sense that it's like something to do with them.

It's their fault, you see?