Ian Dunlap

And number five, the king of pop, the new one, Benito.

It is what it is.

He's one of the greatest artists of all time.

Damn, you make him do the Walker Shane to the Sade?

Absolutely.

And let's be honest, most of the shows aren't good.

So if the shows aren't good...

A lot of shows not passing the eye test.

Most shows are too fucking long.

There's a big space I think available for somebody to do short form content, five to 15 minutes.

And I'm like, why are you trying to give me this deal when we produce the show ourselves and pay for everything?

No, I think the business model has been broken.

Yeah.

Why do most podcasters want a music-like deal when music-like deals don't make money for most people?

Right.

I think that's just a huge mistake.

I think the media landscape is always the same.

Media was created, like soap operas were created so that Procter & Gamble could sell soap against the product.

People didn't know he owned on it or a great portion of it.

I think if you're not going to a model where you're not advertising your own products, like people are going to be in a lot of trouble.