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Episode 222 | Podcast Villans V.S. Vultures ft. Ian Dunlap

01 Dec 2023

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Chapter 1: What are the main causes of relationship issues discussed?

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This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed human. Hey, it's Nora Jones, and my podcast, Playing Along, is back with more of my favorite musicians. Check out my newest episode with Josh Groban. You related to the Phantom at that point.

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Yeah, I was definitely the Phantom in that.

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That's so funny. Share each day with me Each night, each morning Listen to Nora Jones is Playing Along on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On paper, the three hosts of the Nick Dick and Paul show are geniuses. We can explain how AI works, data centers, but there are certain things that we don't necessarily understand.

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Better version of play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Yes.

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Which, by the way, wasn't Taylor Swift who said that for the first time. I actually, I thought it was. I got that wrong.

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I'm Daniel Alarcon, and this is my friend who's much more famous than I am. I wouldn't go that far, but I'm John Green, co-host of the podcast The Away End with my old friend Daniel.

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Listen to The Away End with Daniel Alarcon and John Green on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Greetings, listeners. We are back. If you're listening to this audio on a Friday, we have our New York show that's sold out today, but Maul's guest list is still available. If you're watching this on YouTube on Saturday, thank you for coming out to the show.

Chapter 2: What insights does Ian Dunlap share about financial struggles in relationships?

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But it was a lot of hustle. Yeah. That was into it. And, I don't think most men want to put in time to be greater than craft. They want enough money to be able to finesse women out of sex. To be able to finesse women out of sex. That's all that shit. Like, if we're going to be real, all the Instagram, all the car, I see a lot of cap ass shit.

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I'm like, it's so you can slaughter them and get some pussy you probably don't deserve. I'm not hating. I'm not doing the Dick Jackson. But that's what it comes down to. Well, men are simple. We would just need, like, a Lazy Boy chair and a TV. And a head. And we'd probably be okay. We get nicer things to impress women. I like nice things.

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Lazy Boy and a head is a good combo, though.

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You can put your feet up. Let me get a nice head on a Lazy Boy. See? That's what I'm saying. To join with the cup holder. When's the last time you seen a chair with a cup holder? Stop. It's been a minute. It hasn't been a long time. Speaking of crypto and NFTs, is that something that you're going to discuss at the next revolt summit or where are we at with that? Oh my gosh.

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Sorry for being an asshole. Take that. And will you be at the next Revolt Summit? Shout out to the Tavio. I probably will be. Well, Buff stepped down. Yes.

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Two days ago.

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So you can step up. I could. I could. Do you think he should sell it to 50? I would. I think he needs to lay low for two or three years.

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Like, he's in some hot water, man. And I don't know how he'll be able to escape this one.

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I was talking to somebody last night about it, and... You know, he was saying like, yo, you know, it's funny. All of this news came out about Puff and these things, these allegations, everything hit the net. And he has to step down from all of these companies that he's the officer of and these things. Because I think in her lawsuit, she sued director and officer.

Chapter 3: How do finances impact trust in relationships?

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We've seen it done before. He's done it. When has he had allegations like this, though? Tupac? No, but that's different. That's allegations from somebody. And Keef, he's been talking forever. Yeah, but that's not, I understand what you're saying, but that's like violence. That's like, you know, I'm talking about sex, like rape, sexual abuse. And that's also a small community of YouTube.

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Like I watched all that stuff. Yeah. But my mom texts me when this news hit about Puff. She's never been like, yo, do you think Puff had something to do with Pac's death? My mom's never sent me that.

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And those are speculative. This is just flat out more definitive. Yeah.

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Right.

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Okay. Yeah.

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I mean, at some point he's going to have to address it. Like if he wants to be a public figure, I think we're just entering an era where people want truth. And unfortunately the most, no matter how dark it is, You're going to have to. You're going to have to. Like when Robert Downey Jr.

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went through his rebrand, he had to come forward and tell the truth. Heavy rebrand. You can't lie and have a persona and have a cloud hanging over your head. Now he may have to lay low for two years, go to therapy, do that whole, hey, I'm a changed person. It was a dark time for me. But if he doesn't address it, I don't see how he's... heralded as the icon that he is.

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Do we think he even wants to be a public figure anymore?

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Absolutely. I think he has to be. He's addicted to that spotlight, man. That's his whole personality.

Chapter 4: What are the reasons behind the criticism of Vlad?

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Everyone has been in some form of a back and forth. Who's Gillian Wallow beefing with? They were beefing with Joe. Beef is... You gotta listen to Danny from the stop. He's the one that got all of you, remember? Even if you want to take Vlad, everybody bows up on Vlad. He's a vulture. That's a misconception. I've actually been very... I've complimented Vlad.

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You give him a lot of props.

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I think he's changed his platform drastically where I feel more comfortable watching Not only watching, but complimenting his interview skills, how he preps, the guests he gets. I was critical of Vlad in the earlier days when I felt like he was exploiting younger kids that did not understand. I was never mad when grown men went snitch. That's grown-ass men.

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Why are people so critical of Vlad but won't bring that to puff? Also, I'm going to say, too, the music business was never ours. So when we blacked the culture shit, like Vlad and Lior are deploying assets for their culture. I don't know nobody black to own a majority of assets in the music business. So when I hear that, that he's a vulture, I'm like, how?

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But if Puff is using artists, is he a bigger vulture or is Vlad? I mean, I've never thought of the puff. Vlad comes from because if you're not from the culture, I think if you're not of the culture.

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So being of the culture gives you a pass to disrespect.

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Not to give you a pass, but it's like at least you're of the culture from the culture.

Chapter 5: How do ego and collaboration affect the podcasting industry?

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You're not just somebody coming.

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Are you harming all the culture meaning being black or of hip hop?

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And it shouldn't be my face to bring this up. But I mean, Vlad was a DJ forever. For real before. I had Vlad mixtapes that were pretty good. Like, before he was doing content. It wasn't like Vlad popped up and just started interviewing gang members. Like, listen, I'm not... If Vlad got 30,000 views per interview, would anybody call him a vulture?

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And I'm not caping for Vlad because he just came with us. I don't think so. So, that was my question. But we pick and choose with that as well because I've seen people... call Vlad a culture vulture a million times, but wouldn't call Adam 22 that. And I'm not even making that more of a white thing. Vlad was a DJ first and was within hip hop culture early.

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Adam came from the BMX rocker world and then started interviewing SoundCloud rappers. And now he interviews everybody and his gang members. Yeah.

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and i'm not calling adam a culture vulture i'm just bringing up the point that it is people do pick and choose myself included i've been guilty and been a hypocrite where i have called vlad out for behavior that i've let other people slide not say anything yeah um i just hold a grudge because he tried to say i was unintelligent because i didn't want to go on the show why don't you go on the show i don't i have no interest on going can we get a villains and vultures tour going

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I've been trying to do this for the longest time. Vultures? That'd be dope. That'd be dope as fuck. Well, you and I was in Vultures Tour.

Chapter 6: What are the implications of ownership in the music business?

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It'd be tough, bro. That shit, it'd be grand opening, grand closing. Niggas fighting first night. This podcast shit ain't real. It wouldn't be. I mean, I'm talking about the fake podcast. It's not like ex-friend beef. That could go somewhere. These podcasts, no one's really beefing with each other. I'm not going to scrap with the minimalists. No, that's not a beef.

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I told Julian to reach out to him. I'll go on their show and debate. Rory hit me this morning and said, hey, let him know I'd go on their show. I was like, I don't think you're open to doing anything with us.

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Yeah, that's fine.

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We just took down their video.

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But that's the question I asked when I first came up here. I'm like, why don't more people collab? Especially when the money's drying up. Everybody can be tough. When these shows start drying up and the money is gone, motherfuckers... And I think, honestly, in this space, All of us not doing something together has cost us not being on TV.

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I agree. Yep.

Chapter 7: How can podcasters work together to elevate the industry?

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Not being all the ego shit and y'all can, we're camera mine.

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Y'all not making as much money as y'all say. I ask y'all, how many podcasts make four to seven million dollars a year? See? How many make a million a year? Gross. Not many. I can divide. Yeah.

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So y'all rather have ego than actually be on... Like, what the fuck?

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3411.476 - 3413.378 Ian Dunlap

That's something that befuddles me.

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Well, I mean, a lot of people, especially content creators and podcasters, are very much like hermits and love that they can stay in their house, not have to speak to people at all, and can just yell in a microphone and stay by themselves and make money. Now, when we were talking... Yeah. I was on that time. I went on Barstool right after the pod split.

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And at that point, Gilly and I had choice words back and forth. We had squashed it. Everything was fine. Misunderstanding. It was nothing at all. And I said to KFC on Barstool, I have no idea. I squashed that so quick because I didn't see the value in going back and forth with somebody when we could do shows together. Yeah.

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When Joe and I went on Brilliant Idiots for the first time in 2014 or whatever, you could ask Andrew Schultz. The first thing I said was, hey, you and I should do joint shows before Andrew took off in his stand up. I said, we should do Brilliant Idiots. I'll name this podcast later. Live shows like the offers I'm getting from Highline at that time or other spots were good, but

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four of us, we could go crazy. This was before podcast touring was a thing at all. I've been on this type of time, but I fully understand that there's too much ego with people. You think people rather have the ego than the money? Yes, for sure. 100%. 100%. Some people. Yes. Some people.

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