Ian Dunt

Or do you feel a bit wary?

Exactly.

Who knows where this is going?

Who is this guy?

Because if it's the latter, you're more likely to vote Brexit.

If it's the former, you're more likely to vote remain.

This kind of like split liberal versus authoritarian, university educated versus not, living in diverse, plural, multicultural, typically urban, cosmopolitan areas on the one hand, living in, you know, much more dilapidated,

towns, seaside towns, often former industrial sites, you know, that just hadn't been helped or given proper assistance since the Thatcher period where we'd taken those industries away.

Yeah, and that starts with Brexit as well.

I mean, what are you doing?

You're basically saying, look, we don't really care about existing trade flows.

We don't really care about existing regulatory structures or institutions.

We are in the business of burning things down.

And pretty much the entirety of the rhetoric and the conceptual content of the modern Conservative Party is about burn it down.

Very few new ideas of things you want to replace things with.

And it's not just Europe, right?

They want to leave the European Convention of Human Rights with all the implications that has.

By the way, the European Convention of Human Rights is not just some international document.

That's baked into the Good Friday Agreement that is the peace in Northern Ireland.

You know, you unravel it.