Ian Dunt

But, you know, he's just the fun times guy.

He didn't want to talk about communal sacrifice for the greater good.

Which is funny, because he was writing a biography of Churchill at the time.

When Churchill got the position in World War II, his first thing was, like, I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears, and sweat.

It was just like, no fun times here, guys.

Like, this is going to suck, right?

And we're probably all going to die.

But maybe if we don't, you know, we'll save the world.

Like, what's funny is even as he was writing a biography of that personality...

Boris Johnson, who clearly wanted to sort of model himself on Churchill, was actually basically the complete opposite.

He was the like, don't worry, no one will ever have to sacrifice anything.

He literally said, we can have our cake and eat it.

That was his phrase over Brexit.

There will be no sacrifice, only gains.

Now, I don't think people wanted a narrative.

They were open to sacrificing themselves for their neighbor, for like a national sense of solidarity and looking after one another.

I don't think that it's an impossible argument for a politician to make.

I think if a politician comes out, there has now been several instances.

First one was when Donald Trump tried to humiliate Zelensky in the White House.

Second one was when the Iran war started.