Ian Dunt

And on that basis, we are not in any position to give it to them.

Over and over, you look at this country, and we are not taxed that highly compared to comparable countries of our size and of our stature.

You look across Europe, that is not the way, you know, generally speaking, we pay comparatively little tax.

These problems cannot be solved until we have someone that will have that honest conversation.

Would it be hard?

Absolutely, it's going to be difficult.

But it is the truth.

And because it's the truth, it needs to be stated.

Well, those are two different questions, right?

Because loads of them have raised taxes.

But the definition of doing it well is not having the conversation, doing it through subterfuge.

Right?

Yeah.

So, like, you know, the classic Gordon Brown.

And, in fact, they've mostly been punished for that, right?

Like, when George Osborne came up with ideas for social care, Labour turned on him.

When Labour came up with ideas, sorry, when Theresa May had the same.

I beg your pardon, I completely screwed that up.

When Labour came up with ideas for social care, George Osborne turned on them.

When Theresa May came up with ideas for social care, Labour turned on her.