Ian Dunt

And that's ultimately what, look, here are the two options.

We can either do that.

or we can live with how things are right now.

Those are the choices in front of us.

And that is, yes, do you want to be able to defend your country?

Like, fine, everything was a bit chaotic with Iran, but you notice the way that we were basically unable to do anything about it anyway, that our Navy was in a complete state of disrepair, like a complete humiliation for us.

What's it going to be?

It could be, maybe we'll get lucky and it will just be something like the Falklands.

except that this time we won't be able to take the island back and it'll be clear that we're exposed to others.

Maybe it will be something much more severe, an act of humiliation imposed on us by Russia.

This situation is here and it is now and it is taking place via a war in Europe, via an aggressor that wants to very much threaten and humiliate us.

Okay, now on that basis, we need to be able to defend ourselves.

We clearly are not in a position where we can depend on the Americans to come help us if that situation takes place.

On social care, people are going to have to ask themselves, do I... Look, everyone thinks...

What does everyone say when they talk about how they're going to die?

They say, I want to die immediately in my sleep or surrounded by my family and friends at home.

That's what everybody wants and hardly anybody gets it.

That's just generally not how people die.

People have a very long period in between finding out that things are not going to be great for the next few months and that taking place.

They need social care.