Ian Kreitzberg

It's Suno and Udio.

And they both do essentially the same thing, which is exactly what you just said.

Platforms that allow you to generate music through text prompts.

You would get a stirring gospel song.

Yeah.

Well, they did a couple things.

And we're talking at an interesting time when we can kind of look back and see the whole arc of the reaction.

And so the first thing they did was they sued.

Universal and Warner, they filed lawsuits for copyright infringement.

These lawsuits were focused on two factors.

The first is the inputs and the second is the outputs.

And this is where the kind of idea of fair use comes in.

And so in that first, the inputs factor, right, the loose argument was basically something along the lines of you illegally took my music, my content, my data, and you used it to create this model that

you're generating revenue from.

You didn't ask me if you could do that.

You didn't pay me for it.

And so we're suing you.

Then there was the output side, which is, okay, regardless of the legality of what you did in training the models, your model produces music that is often, and they cited specific cases, quite literally identical copies of music in our catalogs.

That was a more convincing argument, but both of these suits were settled recently.

And now you have partnerships, you know, Universal partnered with Udio and Warner partnered with Suno.