Ian Landsman

It's not like that, which is great for you as the bootstrapper who isn't always moving as fast as a VC-backed company can or some big company that enters your territory It's like you got a lot of customers that are just there and they're happy with your product and they're not looking around for other solutions.

It's not like that, which is great for you as the bootstrapper who isn't always moving as fast as a VC-backed company can or some big company that enters your territory It's like you got a lot of customers that are just there and they're happy with your product and they're not looking around for other solutions.

Yeah, so we're profitable, doing well, a little under 2 million ARR, five employees. I think five? Yeah, five full-time employees and a couple of part-time people. So it's kind of been running. It's just going. It goes up a few percent every year, and it's fine, and we're profitable, and it's great, and I've been running it in sort of that – Uh, not, you know, people say lifestyle.

Yeah, so we're profitable, doing well, a little under 2 million ARR, five employees. I think five? Yeah, five full-time employees and a couple of part-time people. So it's kind of been running. It's just going. It goes up a few percent every year, and it's fine, and we're profitable, and it's great, and I've been running it in sort of that – Uh, not, you know, people say lifestyle.

I wouldn't know if I'd go all the way to lap, but that implies a certain ease of life that I don't know if I'm all the way achieved, but yeah, not super stressed about that stuff. It's been nice, especially the last, I think we're going to talk about the early years. There's probably more action in some ways, but it's kind of last 10 years. You know, my kids have been getting bigger.

I wouldn't know if I'd go all the way to lap, but that implies a certain ease of life that I don't know if I'm all the way achieved, but yeah, not super stressed about that stuff. It's been nice, especially the last, I think we're going to talk about the early years. There's probably more action in some ways, but it's kind of last 10 years. You know, my kids have been getting bigger.

My oldest just went to college. So it's sort of been this, like, I've been cool with it being profitable and running well. And that's great. And, uh, I think we're starting to turn a little corner of some new things I want to do with it as I get more time, kids get older, all that stuff. But yeah, it's doing well.

My oldest just went to college. So it's sort of been this, like, I've been cool with it being profitable and running well. And that's great. And, uh, I think we're starting to turn a little corner of some new things I want to do with it as I get more time, kids get older, all that stuff. But yeah, it's doing well.

You know, I don't know. I'd never, I guess I wouldn't have thought it would be exactly like that in the beginning necessarily. I think what I've done is since it's been profitable, it's given me flexibility to do other things along the way. So like I ran Laracon conferences, both in world and online. So like similar to what, you know, you've done with MicroConf as like a way to explore things.

You know, I don't know. I'd never, I guess I wouldn't have thought it would be exactly like that in the beginning necessarily. I think what I've done is since it's been profitable, it's given me flexibility to do other things along the way. So like I ran Laracon conferences, both in world and online. So like similar to what, you know, you've done with MicroConf as like a way to explore things.

We built a job board for the Laravel and we run the official job board. We, I built a product called Thermostat that, didn't really work. And I recently sold off. I built another product that I sold off that didn't work.

We built a job board for the Laravel and we run the official job board. We, I built a product called Thermostat that, didn't really work. And I recently sold off. I built another product that I sold off that didn't work.

So like every, you know, three or four years I get into something else and that'll distract me for a little while, probably to help spots detriment, but also probably practically just something that needs to happen to keep me, um, you know, when I come back to help spot, you know, after my little excursions, it's like, oh, It's still here. It's still doing great.

So like every, you know, three or four years I get into something else and that'll distract me for a little while, probably to help spots detriment, but also probably practically just something that needs to happen to keep me, um, you know, when I come back to help spot, you know, after my little excursions, it's like, oh, It's still here. It's still doing great.

Like I'm re-energized to like take on some new stuff and do some new things. And so that's kind of how I've done it. Yeah.

Like I'm re-energized to like take on some new stuff and do some new things. And so that's kind of how I've done it. Yeah.

And it's, you know, I think it's something I'm sure you hear a lot and bootstrapper sort of problems, let's say, is that you get to a certain level of success and it's just a little bit of a weird zone where like it's not big enough to sell for the amount of money that's just like, oh, I'd never have to work again money. I'm totally set. Don't worry about it.

And it's, you know, I think it's something I'm sure you hear a lot and bootstrapper sort of problems, let's say, is that you get to a certain level of success and it's just a little bit of a weird zone where like it's not big enough to sell for the amount of money that's just like, oh, I'd never have to work again money. I'm totally set. Don't worry about it.

It's not quite big enough for that really. Maybe if I sold in 2021, it's right at the top there. But so it's never been like really, I've never had any really appealing offers. That's like, oh yeah, I should sell it. Obviously you could just sell it to sell it and move on to the next thing and still have a nice amount of money.

It's not quite big enough for that really. Maybe if I sold in 2021, it's right at the top there. But so it's never been like really, I've never had any really appealing offers. That's like, oh yeah, I should sell it. Obviously you could just sell it to sell it and move on to the next thing and still have a nice amount of money.