Ilan Goldenberg

It is complicated, but so is a Palestinian state on its own.

You're trying to create... And by the way, I should say the problem, like you said, there's a lot of non-believers on the Palestinian side too.

Polling in the Palestinian public is also pretty terrible right now, right?

On both sides.

But at the same time, on the Palestinian side, again, if you actually offer them a pathway...

Those numbers changed dramatically.

If you just say what makes the most sense now, I mean, the overwhelming majority is still for armed resistance, but there's still 40% who are pushing for this two-state solution.

And the other thing I'll say about this is, you know, this goes back to my days, again, working at the State Department on these.

When you present both sides of the public with, here's a deal, would you take it?

And you present it to the Israeli public.

You know, when you do polling, you get to about 40%.

And you present it to the Palestinians and like, here's a deal, would you take it?

40%.

Then you say, here's a deal, and the other side has already agreed to it.

The numbers jump to like 65%, 70%.

Point is, I still think there is a desire on both sides.

to get there.

And I think what you have to start doing slowly, and it's gonna take time, is get away from this dynamic where it's Hamas on the one side representing the Palestinians and Bibi Netanyahu on the other side representing the Israelis, and they're playing off each other, and they're strengthening each other, and they're weakening all of the alternatives.

You're gonna have elections in Israel later this year.

That's a real opportunity.