Ilan Goldenberg

you know, to pay off Hamas and empower Hamas and keep it quiet while he's purposefully weakening alternative moderates on the Palestinian side.

So the point is what J Street advocates for and what we do when we talk to Israelis and Palestinians on the ground is there is a, I think, still a strong minority who wants to work

towards that alternative vision, both on the Israeli and the Palestinian side.

We don't call it a two-state solution.

We actually call it, we started calling it a 23-state solution because we don't think it's just going to be a deal that gets a new Palestinian state and Israel living side by side.

We think it needs to be part of a

regional integration that actually has Israel at peace with all of its neighbors, which creates a lot of incentives for the Israelis.

And part of that is a new Palestinian state.

Now, when you do polling like that and you present Israelis with the president of the United States were to come to to Israel and say, here's a plan

end all the wars.

This was done during the war in Gaza.

We're going to end the war in Gaza.

We're going to get the hostages out.

We're going to pursue a plan that ultimately ends with Israel at peace with all of its neighbors.

And as part of that, you can have a Palestinian state.

That kind of proposal still gets 60% in Israel.

No, it's actually not that complicated.

You just do both processes at the same time.

And at the end of the day, it's really about peace with Saudi Arabia and everybody else goes along.

Hasn't that been pretty complicated, though?