Ilan Goldenberg

And...

Yeah, some of the assumptions in that old way of doing things were deeply problematic.

For example, the idea that we couldn't touch security assistance for Israel and we need to give them a blank check because if we start to enforce or threaten or

just basically say, forget even threaten or leverage.

Just say, you know what?

If you're not behaving in a way that is consistent with our policy and our interests and our laws, we're just not going to give you these weapons and not sell you these weapons, which is really what my position is now and where J Street is and has been for a long time.

We were advocating last week for 40 senators to vote against these kinds of weapons.

I'm not arguing for that the liberal Zionist old position of let Israel do whatever it wants and let's just work this out, right?

We can use leverage.

We do have leverage.

And at the same time,

I also don't think the answer is, well, we should support Hamas or we should be— No one's saying we should support Hamas.

Okay, well, let's just say this.

I actually think what you do have a problem is you have extremists on both sides.

You have Netanyahu and you have Hamas, right?

And let's not forget, in the 90s when we actually almost did get to a peace deal, it was Hamas bus bombings.

that then brought Netanyahu to power.

These two guys, these two sides, they're two sides of the same coin.

They're thriving off, building off each other.

And similarly in the 2000s, Netanyahu actually has millions of dollars in cash from Qatar landing in Ben-Gurion Airport and being pushed into Gaza