Ilan Goldenberg

And then there's where Hassan is, which is to argue that Israel is this kind of uniquely evil or deeply, deeply problematic state where the reality is, I think you find most, at least American voters, I would argue, and you can look at polling that shows this,

that can say, hey, you know, what I really want is for all Jews in Israel and all Palestinians to have freedom, security, equality, a state of their own.

That's what we're arguing for at J Street.

I can be horrified by the acts of October 7th by Hamas, and I can be horrified by the horrific actions that the Israeli government has perpetrated in Gaza against Palestinian civilians.

You know, I can...

I really hate Bibi Netanyahu, and I can have some sympathy for the Israeli people at the same time.

I can recognize that antisemitism is a real problem, and I can also recognize that criticism of Israel is not antisemitism.

And that even very sharp criticism of Israel and anti-Zionism is not anti-Semitism.

So this is where, you know, a guy like Hassan Piker, I don't necessarily think he's anti-Semitic.

I just disagree with his views.

And I think this is the kind of nuanced, hard conversation that I think we need to have in the Democratic Party and in the sort of Democratic coalition.

Because I also think that's where most

democratic voters are.

That's where I would say most normie voters, democratic voters are.

Certainly American Jews that I talked to, and that's what J Street was founded to represent, was that this is where most American Jews are.

They're not where AIPAC is.

But it's also, I think, just not where, even if we have some folks on the base who are going further left, I think that there's just a huge constituency for this very common sense view that I'm expressing.

So look, again, I don't disagree the situation is grim.

And also I'll say I worked on some of those negotiations that John Kerry led in 2014.

I was part of that process, you know, during President, you know, under President Obama.