Ilana Golan

What if it doesn't work?

What if I fail?

Do I look ridiculous?

What if I can't pay the rent?

And it's all valid and you do it anyway.

So Mick, take us there.

I love what you just said.

And I think this is for our listeners.

I think sometimes when you are laid off, you have a rejection, something horrible happened.

It's actually hard to breathe and it's hard to dream.

And I think sometimes when people ask you, what does success look like?

For some people, it's like, I just want to breathe again.

I just want to know that I'm going to be okay.

And for me, like one of the big things that I'll say to people is, hey, first of all, you're going to need to put your own oxygen mask on and save yourself first.

Otherwise, it's true, you can't dream.

But also cover yourself with people that are dreaming, right?

Because if everybody in your life is a non-dreamer, guess what?

There's not going to be a lot of dreaming.

Mick, what do you say to people that are right now just trying to breathe?

And I love that because when you actually do what you just said, that's when you bring the data, not the drama.