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There's a little bit of, to some extent, the best of the best will go there. Otherwise you would not even get the minimum to even get the gate open, right? So what's interesting is that you take the most successful individuals that always, to some extent, were successful in everything they've done until then, And that is kind of the first blow they get. And that's a really, really hard one.

There's a little bit of, to some extent, the best of the best will go there. Otherwise you would not even get the minimum to even get the gate open, right? So what's interesting is that you take the most successful individuals that always, to some extent, were successful in everything they've done until then, And that is kind of the first blow they get. And that's a really, really hard one.

I mean, I think my first big defeats were kind of in the military, right? And these are big slaps in the face that sometimes take you some time to recover. Oh, my God. Like, what just happened? Did they just kill my dream? What is going on? So take me just for a second. Do you remember how you felt and how do you recover from that? Because again, it's hard for overachievers.

I mean, I think my first big defeats were kind of in the military, right? And these are big slaps in the face that sometimes take you some time to recover. Oh, my God. Like, what just happened? Did they just kill my dream? What is going on? So take me just for a second. Do you remember how you felt and how do you recover from that? Because again, it's hard for overachievers.

You are clearly an overachiever.

You are clearly an overachiever.

Do you want to share what that is?

Do you want to share what that is?

The interesting thing about military is that I think we get responsibility at age 20 that I barely had at age 40. And I still talk about it, right? So what do you think are like two, three main points or one significant one that are just like, oh my God, this helped me?

The interesting thing about military is that I think we get responsibility at age 20 that I barely had at age 40. And I still talk about it, right? So what do you think are like two, three main points or one significant one that are just like, oh my God, this helped me?

And at that point, you're managing literally 16 people and you're what, 19, 20?

And at that point, you're managing literally 16 people and you're what, 19, 20?

Right. Isn't that amazing? Like, it's just crazy to think about it.

Right. Isn't that amazing? Like, it's just crazy to think about it.

So you still finished the military. What made you still decide to pursue flying? Because to some extent, that could also be a wound that you don't want to open again.

So you still finished the military. What made you still decide to pursue flying? Because to some extent, that could also be a wound that you don't want to open again.

Oh, I want to be on a fly on the wall on that discussion.

Oh, I want to be on a fly on the wall on that discussion.

So people didn't try to say, are you crazy, Edva? Just go study something that you know works. There's no stats around women making it as pilots, really. It's so abnormal. Just go the regular route. Why do you need to be crazy? Were there like naysayers or no, basically people just accept it?

So people didn't try to say, are you crazy, Edva? Just go study something that you know works. There's no stats around women making it as pilots, really. It's so abnormal. Just go the regular route. Why do you need to be crazy? Were there like naysayers or no, basically people just accept it?