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It's very big. I love that. I love that. It is an open wound to some extent. I mean, it hasn't been many years. It's probably not completely scarred up. I'm sure there's a little bit of anxiety. What if I fail again? Is that still in your head?

It's very big. I love that. I love that. It is an open wound to some extent. I mean, it hasn't been many years. It's probably not completely scarred up. I'm sure there's a little bit of anxiety. What if I fail again? Is that still in your head?

So take us there. You're coming to the U.S. You have this plan. Talk to me about the first early days, because it's also acclimatizing to a new country, new language, new everything. That's not simple, Edva. Like that is very gutsy.

So take us there. You're coming to the U.S. You have this plan. Talk to me about the first early days, because it's also acclimatizing to a new country, new language, new everything. That's not simple, Edva. Like that is very gutsy.

You actually need to make friends in English. Like that's not easy. Did you have those moments where you're like, you know what? Forget it. Let me just go back to Israel. Let me just go back to study. What on earth am I doing?

You actually need to make friends in English. Like that's not easy. Did you have those moments where you're like, you know what? Forget it. Let me just go back to Israel. Let me just go back to study. What on earth am I doing?

What age are you at that point?

What age are you at that point?

So you're still really young. And you see probably your friends having fun and doing the normal life thing.

So you're still really young. And you see probably your friends having fun and doing the normal life thing.

It's hard. It's hard at any age. But how do you then get up and do it again? First of all, take me through that moment when you're like really down and you need to pack your bags and go back to the U.S. and do this again and just work on the hope. Because I think that hope is really, really hard to sustain itself.

It's hard. It's hard at any age. But how do you then get up and do it again? First of all, take me through that moment when you're like really down and you need to pack your bags and go back to the U.S. and do this again and just work on the hope. Because I think that hope is really, really hard to sustain itself.

So you're continuing with these atrocious hours. What happens then?

So you're continuing with these atrocious hours. What happens then?

Initially, when you start, do you feel fear of landing or fear of the basic things that should eventually become normal? Where did fear catch you?

Initially, when you start, do you feel fear of landing or fear of the basic things that should eventually become normal? Where did fear catch you?

When no one is watching, you know you're going to crush it. Exactly. So that's amazing. So you're finishing these mega lots of hours. So take me there. Sorry, I broke from that because you reminded me something about fear. But what's helped you get the first role in a real company? Or how is the path? I don't even know what the path is in the commercial.

When no one is watching, you know you're going to crush it. Exactly. So that's amazing. So you're finishing these mega lots of hours. So take me there. Sorry, I broke from that because you reminded me something about fear. But what's helped you get the first role in a real company? Or how is the path? I don't even know what the path is in the commercial.

And I think all the listeners have no clue how on earth eventually you end up in the cockpit. So walk us there.

And I think all the listeners have no clue how on earth eventually you end up in the cockpit. So walk us there.