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That's incredible. Like for me, that was just such a interesting one. Did you know that you're working on anything personal brand related at that point? Or was it just more spontaneous? I want to share my journey. Or were you more intentional about it?

That's incredible. Like for me, that was just such a interesting one. Did you know that you're working on anything personal brand related at that point? Or was it just more spontaneous? I want to share my journey. Or were you more intentional about it?

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This program helps hundreds a year and it will help you gain the income, influence and impact that will transform the second part of your life. Watch our free training today at leapacademy.com slash free hyphen training. The link is in the show notes. Now back to the show. At some point you decide to move to Hawaiian Airlines. Why?

But it was also like the first time that you did really, really long flights. Am I right?

But it was also like the first time that you did really, really long flights. Am I right?

Was that an adjustment in terms of now it's different? You need to sleep, rest, whatever. Like there's all sort of things. Like it all changes. By the way, you have a great podcast. For those who didn't hear it, Advai has this really fun podcast where she actually shares little myths about what we think about flying and what it actually is. I love it. And you do such a great job there.

Was that an adjustment in terms of now it's different? You need to sleep, rest, whatever. Like there's all sort of things. Like it all changes. By the way, you have a great podcast. For those who didn't hear it, Advai has this really fun podcast where she actually shares little myths about what we think about flying and what it actually is. I love it. And you do such a great job there.

But share a little bit. What was like the switch for you?

But share a little bit. What was like the switch for you?

And for those listeners who don't know the flight space very well, it's true. In the big planes, a lot of it is automated right now, right?

And for those listeners who don't know the flight space very well, it's true. In the big planes, a lot of it is automated right now, right?

So let's talk about your life. Was there like a decision to go to Hawaii? Did it need a decision or was it just like, oh my God, yes, that's what I wanted anyway?

So let's talk about your life. Was there like a decision to go to Hawaii? Did it need a decision or was it just like, oh my God, yes, that's what I wanted anyway?

When did you start surfing?

When did you start surfing?

Wow. So still new, like very new thing.

Wow. So still new, like very new thing.