Ilana

I love that story. And I think there's something that you talk a lot about in terms of the practical work will actually eventually and the experience will eventually be so much more important, which is exactly what, you know, So take us there a little bit, because there's a 10,000 hour rule that usually going to say, hey, you're going to need to work on 10,000.

I love that story. And I think there's something that you talk a lot about in terms of the practical work will actually eventually and the experience will eventually be so much more important, which is exactly what, you know, So take us there a little bit, because there's a 10,000 hour rule that usually going to say, hey, you're going to need to work on 10,000.

But actually, that really scares most people because they don't even know if they can afford 10,000 hours. So how do we shorten the cycle?

But actually, that really scares most people because they don't even know if they can afford 10,000 hours. So how do we shorten the cycle?

I'm very big on experimentation, and you're right. A lot of it is coming either from the Air Force or startup ways, right? But you want to experiment because at the end of the day, the clarity comes from action, not just thinking about it, dreaming about it. You need to get the momentum. And then guess what? The hours somehow add up when you are in the momentum.

I'm very big on experimentation, and you're right. A lot of it is coming either from the Air Force or startup ways, right? But you want to experiment because at the end of the day, the clarity comes from action, not just thinking about it, dreaming about it. You need to get the momentum. And then guess what? The hours somehow add up when you are in the momentum.

So you co-founded multiple companies since Crazy Egg and Kissmetrics. And now you have Ubersuggest and you have your own agency. Walk us through a little bit of how this all started and some of maybe the hard moments, but also the learning.

So you co-founded multiple companies since Crazy Egg and Kissmetrics. And now you have Ubersuggest and you have your own agency. Walk us through a little bit of how this all started and some of maybe the hard moments, but also the learning.

Let me stop you for a second, because what you're sharing right now is one of the scariest things for every founder. How do you get up in the morning? How do you continue taking the steps forward? How do you not just put a blanket on anything entrepreneurship after that?

Let me stop you for a second, because what you're sharing right now is one of the scariest things for every founder. How do you get up in the morning? How do you continue taking the steps forward? How do you not just put a blanket on anything entrepreneurship after that?

And I think it's really important and I appreciate your sharing that because I think it's really important for the listeners to see see the journeys and see the real truth. It's really fun and exciting when things happen and it's growing and oh my God, and I'm hiring and oh, this is so cool. But in the day-to-day, there's also a lot of crap that we need to go through as you're growing something.

And I think it's really important and I appreciate your sharing that because I think it's really important for the listeners to see see the journeys and see the real truth. It's really fun and exciting when things happen and it's growing and oh my God, and I'm hiring and oh, this is so cool. But in the day-to-day, there's also a lot of crap that we need to go through as you're growing something.

Okay, so Kissmetric had a lot of issues and then tell me more because Crazy Egg went actually really well. So talk to me about how do you... decide to continue going to the next entrepreneurship versus saying, okay, nevermind, let me just hang on something safe. What made you continue?

Okay, so Kissmetric had a lot of issues and then tell me more because Crazy Egg went actually really well. So talk to me about how do you... decide to continue going to the next entrepreneurship versus saying, okay, nevermind, let me just hang on something safe. What made you continue?

And that to me is really interesting. We do have two Teslas and I love them, but maybe I don't drive that much. I admit everything is over Zoom now.

And that to me is really interesting. We do have two Teslas and I love them, but maybe I don't drive that much. I admit everything is over Zoom now.

Um, probably four hours to Tahoe, but not much. I probably done it like twice ever. And you're usually going to need to charge anyway on the way. So at that point, by the time you go get coffee and dinner, it's like, I'm okay now, but nothing is perfect. Even, you know, we were just moving to HubSpot. That's been a nightmare. So it doesn't matter what the size of this, always going to be issues.

Um, probably four hours to Tahoe, but not much. I probably done it like twice ever. And you're usually going to need to charge anyway on the way. So at that point, by the time you go get coffee and dinner, it's like, I'm okay now, but nothing is perfect. Even, you know, we were just moving to HubSpot. That's been a nightmare. So it doesn't matter what the size of this, always going to be issues.

And I think that is really important to not be hard on yourself as well. Um, So you're continuing this entrepreneurship endeavor. Your agency is growing like fire.

And I think that is really important to not be hard on yourself as well. Um, So you're continuing this entrepreneurship endeavor. Your agency is growing like fire.