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So for our listeners, maybe Bernard, if somebody is listening, but maybe they didn't get a chance of leadership yet, or they're right now freaked out about the economy, they don't know how to find a job or whatever it is. What are some of the tips that you would give them in order to leap to that leadership role and to become more successful, to be able to prove themselves?

So for our listeners, maybe Bernard, if somebody is listening, but maybe they didn't get a chance of leadership yet, or they're right now freaked out about the economy, they don't know how to find a job or whatever it is. What are some of the tips that you would give them in order to leap to that leadership role and to become more successful, to be able to prove themselves?

You alluded to a few things and I want to emphasize them back for the listeners to hear this again. Who's around you is really, really important and who you're looking for and learning from, right? Because there's always going to be the voices that are scared for you and want you to play safe and don't necessarily want the best for you, right? Or just want to keep you small.

You alluded to a few things and I want to emphasize them back for the listeners to hear this again. Who's around you is really, really important and who you're looking for and learning from, right? Because there's always going to be the voices that are scared for you and want you to play safe and don't necessarily want the best for you, right? Or just want to keep you small.

So you want to make sure that you're looking and you're learning from the people that are really where you want to be and not that will keep you stuck and safe. So I think that's one that I think is just really, really, really important. And I think the other thing that you alluded to, beyond that taking perfect steps every day and just continue, I think patience is a bliss.

So you want to make sure that you're looking and you're learning from the people that are really where you want to be and not that will keep you stuck and safe. So I think that's one that I think is just really, really, really important. And I think the other thing that you alluded to, beyond that taking perfect steps every day and just continue, I think patience is a bliss.

And I think there's a little bit of a balance between patience and hard work. And it's okay to be very driven, but also you need to understand that there's an element of patience that you need to embody because things take time. And sometimes as I admit, I have a patience issue. And I want everything yesterday. But I also need to realize that's not going to happen.

And I think there's a little bit of a balance between patience and hard work. And it's okay to be very driven, but also you need to understand that there's an element of patience that you need to embody because things take time. And sometimes as I admit, I have a patience issue. And I want everything yesterday. But I also need to realize that's not going to happen.

And I just need to keep on going towards the goal. And I know to have that belief that eventually it's going to all pan out. And I think that's just so hard sometimes for driven people. What do you think, Bernard?

And I just need to keep on going towards the goal. And I know to have that belief that eventually it's going to all pan out. And I think that's just so hard sometimes for driven people. What do you think, Bernard?

I think what you said about making it scientific is really, really interesting because one of the things that I admit I came late to the game was I didn't believe in any of the disc assessment, personal tests, all of that. And now I'm kind of eating my hat a little bit because that would have solved a lot of my issues.

I think what you said about making it scientific is really, really interesting because one of the things that I admit I came late to the game was I didn't believe in any of the disc assessment, personal tests, all of that. And now I'm kind of eating my hat a little bit because that would have solved a lot of my issues.

But the interesting thing is that I always assumed everybody's motivated in the same way. And that is not correct. So I was just kind of thinking, oh, everybody's like me. If they're motivated, they just go. No, everybody's different. Some people are more result driven. Some people are more people driven. Some people are more, you know, it's like they need more of the processes.

But the interesting thing is that I always assumed everybody's motivated in the same way. And that is not correct. So I was just kind of thinking, oh, everybody's like me. If they're motivated, they just go. No, everybody's different. Some people are more result driven. Some people are more people driven. Some people are more, you know, it's like they need more of the processes.

People are different. And I think if we are looking at it in a little more scientific way versus only my gut feel, because my gut feel was wrong. I thought everybody's the same. But if you're thinking about it a little more scientific, you can actually drive the people in the right way according to what's right for them and not try to put them in the wrong boxes, if you will.

People are different. And I think if we are looking at it in a little more scientific way versus only my gut feel, because my gut feel was wrong. I thought everybody's the same. But if you're thinking about it a little more scientific, you can actually drive the people in the right way according to what's right for them and not try to put them in the wrong boxes, if you will.

Did you see that, Bernard?

Did you see that, Bernard?

They're all together.

They're all together.