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Do you feel like there's a pendulum that can somehow be somewhere in the middle of, yes, there are just really clear boundaries, but except for that, it should be fun.

Do you feel like there's a pendulum that can somehow be somewhere in the middle of, yes, there are just really clear boundaries, but except for that, it should be fun.

I love your answer, Gretchen. Let's go back for a second to your media because you grew like in TV, like you climbed the ladder. There's obviously some areas where you needed to reinvent and leap, which is the theme that I look at Leap Academy, right? And there's some... also stages in your life.

I love your answer, Gretchen. Let's go back for a second to your media because you grew like in TV, like you climbed the ladder. There's obviously some areas where you needed to reinvent and leap, which is the theme that I look at Leap Academy, right? And there's some... also stages in your life.

There's marriage, there's kids, there's stages that actually cause you to like almost restart, like what's next, right? Talk to me a little bit about CBS and then climbing there and then moving from there to NBC and Fox.

There's marriage, there's kids, there's stages that actually cause you to like almost restart, like what's next, right? Talk to me a little bit about CBS and then climbing there and then moving from there to NBC and Fox.

This is real.

This is real.

That sucks.

That sucks.

Okay, so you win the lawsuit. I assume that's a really hard time. How do you decide to reinvent yourself and create this legacy with books and your memoir and getting real and be fierce and now the trauma recovery pathways and the nonprofit? What is that reinvention that happens from that low point, I guess?

Okay, so you win the lawsuit. I assume that's a really hard time. How do you decide to reinvent yourself and create this legacy with books and your memoir and getting real and be fierce and now the trauma recovery pathways and the nonprofit? What is that reinvention that happens from that low point, I guess?

And I love that. And I think sometimes there's moments that define you. But also, I tell our clients, I think sometimes it is darkest before the sunrise, right? It almost feels like that's kind of it was for you. Like it almost builds you towards the person that can change now millions of lives and create such a big impact. So how do you see Lift Our Voices?

And I love that. And I think sometimes there's moments that define you. But also, I tell our clients, I think sometimes it is darkest before the sunrise, right? It almost feels like that's kind of it was for you. Like it almost builds you towards the person that can change now millions of lives and create such a big impact. So how do you see Lift Our Voices?

How do you see the future or what do you see for yourself and the organization and the millions of lives, I guess?

How do you see the future or what do you see for yourself and the organization and the millions of lives, I guess?

In nonprofits, especially in areas that you're touching, there's going to be a lot of no's. How do you stay motivated?

In nonprofits, especially in areas that you're touching, there's going to be a lot of no's. How do you stay motivated?

Oh, I agree. And I didn't think of the connections with all the rejections before. I love that. And I think this is also something that we see in the podcast. It's something that we see, like every time you're going to try to reach out to a lot of people, the rejection is inevitable. It's just about what you're making it mean.

Oh, I agree. And I didn't think of the connections with all the rejections before. I love that. And I think this is also something that we see in the podcast. It's something that we see, like every time you're going to try to reach out to a lot of people, the rejection is inevitable. It's just about what you're making it mean.